GM's refusal to compete with Wrangler, 4Runner and Bronco is one of the great mysteries. 🤔

Yep! If they make an SUV out of this maybe that’ll force Toyota to step up the game and make the 4Runner better 😅. A fully enclosed, super capable SUV would attract a lot of buyers. I personally don’t like Wranglers and Broncos because of how loud they are on the highway.

Is the new traverse AT4 wouldn’t be just that?

@@lolotus4borderlessI think it’s more of a pretender than contender. Nowhere at the level of the 4Runner or any of the real off-road capable midsize off-road SUV (Wrangler or Bronco)

Agree 100%. One of the main reasons I DIDN'T buy a Gladiator Rubicon turbo-diesel (besides the price) or a 2dr Bronco Sasquatch is the fact that I will NEVER remove the doors, and would only VERY rarely remove the front (only) top. So, with the 2024 (so they can work the bugs out) ZR2, I can get a power moonroof which I MUCH prefer anyways. Vastly better structural integrity, windows that won't freeze up making it hard to open and impossible to seal in winter here (Bronco). I'm sure the VAST majority of people in Jeeps and Bronco's rarely if ever remove the doors/roof, they jost want to LOOK like they do when mall crawling. It's just far too impractical with rain/snow/dirt/mud/dust, and theft issues. If they made a Trailblazer like this based on the Colorado ZR2 platform I'm sure they'd sell a TON of them to people who don't want all the shortcomings of removable doors and roofs. I'd like to see a small turbodiesel (though not the one in the last Colorado) option, the new smaller 3L Duramax @ 305hp and 496lb-ft. I'd pay extra for that to get better mileage.

Depends on how you define capability. The mid-size truck segment had already surpassed Jeep capability for most off-road situations.

@@jaekimchi The Ford Ranger surpassed Jeep capability since 2011.

I have been waiting 40 years for GM to catch up on long-term reliability.

@@SanctumOfDreams Obviously the only vehicle you’ve driven off-road is your fixie on grass.

@@SanctumOfDreams Gladiator is probably the weakest of the mid-size trucks. Solid front axle holds it back.

Well it just shows you they haven't done enough testing.

​@jasonthach44 You don't know what you're talking about.. These are pre production with 3rd party software programs. Most if not all use them, regardless of brand. I live near a GM proving grounds and see these and other GM trucks being tested all the time. I saw a wrapped Bison in person 2 years ago.

Maybe the software is intended to do this. Think about this. Truck is doing rock crawling, at a certain level of incline, if you floor it there are some risk of loosing control. Also dropping all 430 lb/ft on the transfer case something is going to get messed up. Probably if you stay easy on the gas pedal the truck will stay on 4WD

They already fixed the update glitch. Which was their worst problem. This truck is bullet proof. Software will get every brand at one point or another. Which they fix over the air.

Ok chief let me get this straight..... You listed all of the problems with the new Colorado AND YOU STILL GONNA BUY ONE......SMH....... Forget about the Colorado until 2025 them maybe gm has worked out all of the issues.

Mine, too, by a mile!😂😂😂

Lol. That one would have been a long, cold walk out if he got stuck.

And with real winter tires - not mud tires - so we can see its real capabilities!

I like my Trail boss as well kzfaq.info5KXj-NoxhqI?si=sJbhFGCvSeq6P4H9

Correct. Terrain mode is telling the computer that you're slowly crawling over rocky terrain. When he gooses the throttle, the truck is trying to prevent him from inducing wheel hop and busting parts out on a trail. If he would have locked his lockers as they intended everyone to do, and drive slowly like he's rock crawling, it would have stayed in 4WD.

@@hochhaul Yep, exactly. If he’s going to review trucks he needs to learn how they work before giving reviews based on how he “thinks” they should be driven. It’s very misleading to potential customers. His issues were 100% his fault for not listening to instruction.

The way it operated on this it looks way way less capable than anything you would compare it to. I hope this was really just a test data-gathering run for GM...

except when it turned itself off and then dumped 4WD mode the next time

@@mz1906 It's actually because he doesn't understand that terrain mode is for a specific situation -- slowly crawling over rocky terrain with locker. he told them he didn't have his lockers on and then he proceeds to goose the throttle in terrain mode. the truck thinks he's rock crawling and getting the tires to slip and spin, which would risk wheel hop. wheel hop breaks stuff no matter what brand of truck or aftermarket part it is. so the computer was intervening. had he followed their instructions at the beginning he wouldn't have had any issue. Wheel hop in 4lo is really great at breaking things. Tacoma guys blow up the factory rear diff while rock crawling due to wheel hop all the time. watch?v=7lmqGD76pcc

@@RRr-yl8zr No, the guy driving the truck is just clueless

😂😂😂

You must live in New York

LOL, I live in the South brother man!@@allanramirez5717

😂😂😂 typical Americans 😂😂

Maybe if you live in the City. I have the standard ZR2 & live in the Sierra Nevada mountains … goes off pavement often. What do you care how people use their vehicles anyway … you emotional or hurt about it? 🤡

That was a fun one. ;)

…and you probably will. Electronics have limits. Shifting and gauges should all be manual/analog.

I've the tested both the Goodyear Territory MT and AT tires and the MT (Maximum Traction) are a much better all around tire. They even have pretty good traction in deep snow even though they aren't three peak rated.

right?!

Weird since the engineers that designed the vehicle (IIRC) asked us to put the vehicles in Terrain and also engage the front lockers.

Finally, someone read the book! I suspected this since the Trail Boss video issue. Terrain is not for extrame crawling. Off-Road mode it.

@@drivingsports Ohh well I am not an expert and they are but if you look on the manual it Can be Download in the GMC web Page it talk about that I Hope is that and Not a failure in the 4x4 System because I Spend a lot of Money in this Truck I am from Mexico here the Price is quite higher than in the US

@@drivingsports 🤔 is there a difference between the engineers and the computer programmers...

You can’t switch from 4lo to 2hi without switching to neutral first. So the “drop” couldn’t happen by switching modes alone. It would notify me to switch to neutral first.

At these press trips there’s a lot of journalists that overlook faults in exchange for the shrimp buffet.

He has issues with every single GM model even though nobody else does

@@BIGGIEBAG-XL Most reviewers drive their press cars to wall*mart and call it good.

It's actually because he doesn't understand that terrain mode is for a specific situation -- slowly crawling over rocky terrain with locker. he told them he didn't have his lockers on and then he proceeds to goose the throttle in terrain mode. the truck thinks he's rock crawling and getting the tires to slip and spin, which would risk wheel hop. wheel hop breaks stuff no matter what brand of truck or aftermarket part it is. so the computer was intervening. had he followed their instructions at the beginning he wouldn't have had any issue.

FWIW, I did. Just condensed it into VO.

@@drivingsports great video as always! I’m just trying to fire up the KZfaq crowd hopefully get some more comments in here for the channel. I own a 17’ Colorado , love it! But believe me I know that’s not your fault “those glitches”

@@brians.1357 😂

He should have asked him how GM's transfer case and offroad modes work because he clearly doesn't understand, as evidenced by the fact that he thinks he needs to put the truck in neutral in order to shift into 4lo. You can literally put this truck in 4 lo while rolling forward in drive at 3mph. He doesn't understand that terrain mode is for a specific situation -- slowly crawling over rocky terrain with locker. he told them he didn't have his lockers on and then he proceeds to goose the throttle in terrain mode. the truck thinks he's rock crawling and getting the tires to slip and spin, which would risk wheel hop. wheel hop breaks stuff no matter what brand of truck or aftermarket part it is. so the computer was intervening. had he followed their instructions at the beginning he wouldn't have had any issue.

It wouldn’t make it

@@Jeepingshortsource: trust me bro.

The bison is a step above the TRD Pro or Trailhunter. No doubt about it. They compete more directly with the ZR2 same with the Raptor. None of the competitors have 35s, or stamped boron steel skid plates and bumpers all around, Or hydraulic jounce control bump stops, or long travel suspension. Just not even close

Tailgate down w/ bed extender?

Do you mean a full size truck is what was missing? 😅😉

He also doesn't understand that terrain mode is for a specific situation -- slowly crawling over rocky terrain with locker. he told them he didn't have his lockers on and then he proceeds to goose the throttle in terrain mode. the truck thinks he's rock crawling and getting the tires to slip and spin, which would risk wheel hop. wheel hop breaks stuff no matter what brand of truck or aftermarket part it is. so the computer was intervening. had he followed their instructions at the beginning he wouldn't have had any issue.

Haha, the Craptor isn't made for off-roading. Just a status symbol

The is nothing wrong with the truck or the 4WD. It's actually because he doesn't understand that terrain mode is for a specific situation -- slowly crawling over rocky terrain with locker. he told them he didn't have his lockers on and then he proceeds to goose the throttle in terrain mode. the truck thinks he's rock crawling and getting the tires to slip and spin, which would risk wheel hop. wheel hop breaks stuff no matter what brand of truck or aftermarket part it is. so the computer was intervening. had he followed their instructions at the beginning he wouldn't have had any issue.

they will grow out of them

My buddy has a 1st gen ZR2 and he has two bigass Gerber rear facing cars seats. They fit fine. This one is probably better than the 1st gen ZR2 to be honest.

It also includes the steel bumpers, cobalt steel skid plates, rear diff shield, steel fuel tank shield, etc. Also the AEV wheels and frame-mounted skids (ZR2 is mounted to cab like the Tacoma's skid).

Nope! We’ve been around longer than TFL. (On KZfaq and pre-KZfaq)

What tells you its an "electrical issue"? It could be as simple as a software bug or a bad sensor. Something that has plagued even Toyota for several years now.

It's actually because he doesn't understand that terrain mode is for a specific situation -- slowly crawling over rocky terrain with locker. he told them he didn't have his lockers on and then he proceeds to goose the throttle in terrain mode. the truck thinks he's rock crawling and getting the tires to slip and spin, which would risk wheel hop. wheel hop breaks stuff no matter what brand of truck or aftermarket part it is. so the computer was intervening. had he followed their instructions at the beginning he wouldn't have had any issue.

I bought the regular ZR2 about a month ago and was somewhat surprised that it is as wide at the wheels as a full size, and as tall as an HD truck. Thankfully I haven't seen any of the little bugs that seem to be plaguing some of the colorados. It's a really nice package, I just hope that they get past all of the teething issues sooner than later. Max payload for the bison is 1050lbs which isn't that bad when you consider that a lot of the heavy modifications, like tires, bumpers, skid plates, rock rails, etc are already accounted for. That leaves 1050lbs just for you, passengers, and your stuff.

@@live4macthe more I think about it the more I feel like I should just get a Raptor to build an adventure rig. The Colorado ZR2 Bison is already as wide as a full size pick up so that partly destroys the size advantage of a midsize pickup. The Raptor is just a few inches wider. Also the Raptor has 1400 lbs payload and a much larger bed. Also range is also a concern. 20 gallon tank with mpg probably about 14-15, that only takes you about 300 miles between refills. A Raptor on 37s get 17-18 mpg so that’s 600 miles on a full tank. Also the price. This truck is probably around ~$70K before markups. With $10-$15K more you can just buy a Raptor. Idk I love this Colorado ZR2 Bison but the more I think about it I’m not sure it’s a good value for what I’m trying to achieve 😅. You’re loving it so far?

i think the width includes the fender flares, no way its 80” wide

@@tinhinnhyeah of course it includes the fender flare. But on a trail it’s all the same right? 😅 on a trail it’s as wide as a Silverado 1500 or the 2500 HD. Not as long, but just as wide. I think it’s good for wide open desert but probably not as good as the regular ZR2 on tight trails.

@@whocaresjustdoitnot really the same since most of the body is narrower than a fullsize so its better in tight spaces

FWIW We were based in Palm Springs for the shoot.

It isn't an issue with the truck. It's an issue of him not understanding how the 4WD system and terrain mode work. He doesn't understand that terrain mode is for a specific situation -- slowly crawling over rocky terrain with lockers engaged. he told them he didn't have his lockers on and then he proceeds to goose the throttle in terrain mode. the truck thinks he's rock crawling and getting the tires to slip and spin, which would risk wheel hop. wheel hop breaks stuff no matter what brand of truck or aftermarket part it is. so the computer was intervening. had he followed their instructions at the beginning he wouldn't have had any issue.

That turbo-4 has been in the full-size for a few years now with good reliability. I'm not worried. Would I PREFER a twin-turbo V6 like the Ranger Raptor? Sure, but if Chevy prices the Bison between the ZR2 and Raptor, maybe I'll buy one over the ZR2 I'm planning on.

@@kx8960 a few years is absolutely Nothing. Any vehicle should have No problems in a few years. I want to know if there's any problems in "13" years.

@@RRr-yl8zr As mentioned (if you bothered to read it) that motor's been in full-sized trucks for years now with good reliability....

It's not your kids Honda engine. Lol It's built like a Diesel, and even gets low down torque like one. No one is doing any serious hauling/towing with any of those hopped up desert runners. They got about the same capability as a Honda Ridgeline. 😂 toy trucks.

@@RRr-yl8zr It will probably last longer than the twin turbo V6 in the new Tundra, considering Toyota has a major issue with crank bearing failures on those engines....

They won't just out to make their money

It's actually because he doesn't understand that terrain mode is for a specific situation -- slowly crawling over rocky terrain with locker. he told them he didn't have his lockers on and then he proceeds to goose the throttle in terrain mode. the truck thinks he's rock crawling and getting the tires to slip and spin, which would risk wheel hop. wheel hop breaks stuff no matter what brand of truck or aftermarket part it is. so the computer was intervening. had he followed their instructions at the beginning he wouldn't have had any issue.

@@hochhaul So if you know all this why didn't the Chevy technician that was there address the issue before posting the video on the internet? I'm thinking that you're some sort of manager within GM. I'm not hating on Chevy. All vehicle makers now adays put together a new model with all of the technological bells and whistles and then recall the vehicles to fix the problems as they pop up. That's why most people don't buy the new one, they wait until all the problems are worked out for the following models. A perfect example is when Toyota changed the Tundra from a V8 to a turbo V6. It had all kinds of problems, but now it doesn't. Hopefully the 2024 zr2 will be ready to go.

@oscarposada6144 I don't work for GM. But I can plainly see that this clown manages to have this "problem" in every single GM trucks he's in when nobody else has the issue. He's supposed to be using terrain and both lockers but he clearly tells them he doesn't have the lockers locked and they look around at each other as if speechless for how stupid the guy is.

? 4A is not to switch between 4L and 4H. It allows safe use on pavement unlike 4H which is incredibly useful all winter long when you keep getting on and out of snowy road (small roads full of snow, larger roads and highways plowed). I use 4A all the time on my Bronco, in the rain, in the snow etc.

​@@birdymeoMost T-cases with 4uto are using clutch packs to engage 4x4 instead of a solid mechanical lock. Ford made one that does both originally for the Gen 2 Raptor.

The is nothing wrong with the trucks or the 4WD. It's an issue of ignorance by the person operating the truck. He doesn't understand that terrain mode is for a specific situation -- slowly crawling over rocky terrain with locker. he told them he didn't have his lockers on and then he proceeds to goose the throttle in terrain mode. the truck thinks he's rock crawling and getting the tires to slip and spin, which would risk wheel hop. wheel hop breaks stuff no matter what brand of truck or aftermarket part it is. so the computer was intervening. had he followed their instructions at the beginning he wouldn't have had any issue.

It's actually because he doesn't understand that terrain mode is for a specific situation -- slowly crawling over rocky terrain with locker. he told them he didn't have his lockers on and then he proceeds to goose the throttle in terrain mode. the truck thinks he's rock crawling and getting the tires to slip and spin, which would risk wheel hop. wheel hop breaks stuff no matter what brand of truck or aftermarket part it is. so the computer was intervening. had he followed their instructions at the beginning he wouldn't have had any issue.

That's what trimming is for.

The issues will probably be less severe than the blown head gaskets in the Bronco or engine failures in the 2022+ Tundra (of which there are many, kek).

It's actually because he doesn't understand that terrain mode is for a specific situation -- slowly crawling over rocky terrain with locker. he told them he didn't have his lockers on and then he proceeds to goose the throttle in terrain mode. the truck thinks he's rock crawling and getting the tires to slip and spin, which would risk wheel hop. wheel hop breaks stuff no matter what brand of truck or aftermarket part it is. so the computer was intervening. had he followed their instructions at the beginning he wouldn't have had any issue.

I was a big Taco fan for years. The 4th gen is terrible looking and I hate half of the changes they made between the 3rd gen and 4th gen.

I never rule out user error… I just don’t see how a user error can cause the transfer case to switch from 4Lo to 2hi under throttle.

Yeah, learned that just recently. Hate it.

You're asking for an HD Silvarado ZR2 then :)

No manufacturer would build a truck with IFS and a front locker if it had a manual transfer case. There was nothing wrong with the truck, the guy doesn't understand that the computer will put it into 2wd if it detects too much wheel slippage. That's to prevent driveline damage due to wheel hop, which is induced by excessive slippage and sloppy throttle like he was doing. It's in the manual.

Could just be the pre-production truck has issues. Everyone else in the video seemed fine. Not saying Chevy doesn't need to step up their quality assurance testing however. They've had a fair amount of issues lately.

He is. It's actually because he doesn't understand that terrain mode is for a specific situation -- slowly crawling over rocky terrain with locker. he told them he didn't have his lockers on and then he proceeds to goose the throttle in terrain mode. the truck thinks he's rock crawling and getting the tires to slip and spin, which would risk wheel hop. wheel hop breaks stuff no matter what brand of truck or aftermarket part it is. so the computer was intervening. had he followed their instructions at the beginning he wouldn't have had any issue.

@@jcfan1979 no just him not understanding how to use 4lo+terrain mode.

It's actually because he doesn't understand that terrain mode is for a specific situation -- slowly crawling over rocky terrain with locker. he told them he didn't have his lockers on and then he proceeds to goose the throttle in terrain mode. the truck thinks he's rock crawling and getting the tires to slip and spin, which would risk wheel hop. wheel hop breaks stuff no matter what brand of truck or aftermarket part it is. so the computer was intervening. had he followed their instructions at the beginning he wouldn't have had any issue.

Agreed@@hochhaul

no it won't the 4x4 will fail

shut up B@@snn517

It's actually because he doesn't understand that terrain mode is for a specific situation -- slowly crawling over rocky terrain with locker. he told them he didn't have his lockers on and then he proceeds to goose the throttle in terrain mode. the truck thinks he's rock crawling and getting the tires to slip and spin, which would risk wheel hop. wheel hop breaks stuff no matter what brand of truck or aftermarket part it is. so the computer was intervening. had he followed their instructions at the beginning he wouldn't have had any issue.

It's actually because he doesn't understand that terrain mode is for a specific situation -- slowly crawling over rocky terrain with locker. he told them he didn't have his lockers on and then he proceeds to goose the throttle in terrain mode. the truck thinks he's rock crawling and getting the tires to slip and spin, which would risk wheel hop. wheel hop breaks stuff no matter what brand of truck or aftermarket part it is. so the computer was intervening. had he followed their instructions at the beginning he wouldn't have had any issue.

It's actually because he doesn't understand that terrain mode is for a specific situation -- slowly crawling over rocky terrain with locker. he told them he didn't have his lockers on and then he proceeds to goose the throttle in terrain mode. the truck thinks he's rock crawling and getting the tires to slip and spin, which would risk wheel hop. wheel hop breaks stuff no matter what brand of truck or aftermarket part it is. so the computer was intervening. had he followed their instructions at the beginning he wouldn't have had any issue.

The current tundra has 7 recalls.

@@RCian2000yeah but Toyota fixes it’s problems. Most brands don’t.

@@thomas735 that’s just false lmao

@@RCian2000 in my experience the Asian brands do a better job fixing mistakes

@@thomas735 there’s a list of issues from factory that they don’t even want to fix. I work at a Toyota dealership

It's actually because he doesn't understand that terrain mode is for a specific situation -- slowly crawling over rocky terrain with locker. he told them he didn't have his lockers on and then he proceeds to goose the throttle in terrain mode. the truck thinks he's rock crawling and getting the tires to slip and spin, which would risk wheel hop. wheel hop breaks stuff no matter what brand of truck or aftermarket part it is. so the computer was intervening. had he followed their instructions at the beginning he wouldn't have had any issue.

Doesn't sound any worse than the squeaks every 3rd gen Tacoma makes.

Buy a Ford then. Problem solved. Good day

@@thewireman134 headgasket blowing junk

@@hochhaul buy a tacoma then. Problem solved again

$60k for a midsize is insane

And 8 mi to the gallon ? $275 in gasoline to go on a fishing trip on the weekend? 😲😅😉

It's actually because he doesn't understand that terrain mode is for a specific situation -- slowly crawling over rocky terrain with locker. he told them he didn't have his lockers on and then he proceeds to goose the throttle in terrain mode. the truck thinks he's rock crawling and getting the tires to slip and spin, which would risk wheel hop. wheel hop breaks stuff no matter what brand of truck or aftermarket part it is. so the computer was intervening. had he followed their instructions at the beginning he wouldn't have had any issue.

Yeah.... bent raptor frames, fox shocks leaking... like all the fox shocks I've owned. IWE's grinding as they fail because Ford insists on using vacuum operated hub locks. It was brave of them to make a Raptor but that truck was far from perfect. Sad when the oil pumps start dying.

I think that applies to all automakers. Even Toyota had (and is still having) a lot of problems with the new Tundras.

@@whocaresjustdoit Totally agree. But has GM ever built a super reliable turbo 4? The GM track record is a lot sketchier than Toyota.

@@haze1123..2.0 EcoTec turbo 4..Chevrolet Cobalt SS, Saturn Sky Redline, Pontiac Soltice GXP.

It's actually because he doesn't understand that terrain mode is for a specific situation -- slowly crawling over rocky terrain with locker. he told them he didn't have his lockers on and then he proceeds to goose the throttle in terrain mode. the truck thinks he's rock crawling and getting the tires to slip and spin, which would risk wheel hop. wheel hop breaks stuff no matter what brand of truck or aftermarket part it is. so the computer was intervening. had he followed their instructions at the beginning he wouldn't have had any issue.