DOC HARLEY: PRIMARY CHAIN ADJUSTER UPDATES

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4 жыл бұрын

Doc Harley from the Service Clinic at Low Country Harley-Davidson to help you with the health of your motorcycle! This week he talks about inner primary adjusting mechanisms and how they've evolved.
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Doc Harley is a motorcycle technician at Low Country Harley-Davidson with over thirty years working on motorcycles. Over the years at the dealership he has worked on Harley-Davidson, Buell, and Triumph motorcycles with a few other brands here and there from trade-ins. There are thousands of how-to videos out on KZfaq and other websites across the world. Doc’s goal is to help solve problems that people run into when using their service manual, share insights only found as a certified Harley® technician, and some of the tips he’s picked up over the years.
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@Peter-976 4 жыл бұрын

Excellent tip about the flashlight and screwdriver because everyone gets a little throttle happy once in a while.

@Jake-cz1kb 2 жыл бұрын

That dont work if you have the hydraulic clutch, no room to get the screwdriver in through the derby cover.

@beatnuts323 2 жыл бұрын

How would I slide the screwdriver kinda confused

@daviddunn5264 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks doc ... history, mechanics, part numbers, you hit on all of it. Much appreciated

@paulbouverette503 3 жыл бұрын

I threw my stock 2010 Street Glide auto tensioner in the garbage where it belongs. My chain was way too tight and the primary was wining big time (bike only has 3,700 miles. I installed a hydraulic SO Hot Bikes HB125-07 Primary Chain Tensioner for Big Twins and wow what a difference. No more wining and the bike shifts and drives amazing now.

@Jasonracer 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks Doc! I had a 2004 Fatboy as my first Harley and I learnt a lot on that bike as far as maintaining a Harley and I would regularly check my primary chain tension, when doing oil changes ect. But I sold that bike a few months back and I bought myself a much lower kms Fatboy this time a 2009 model. When I did my first oil change and service on the new bike I noticed there was no inspection plate on the primary side like my 04. Now I know why! Thanks again Doc, and keep the videos coming. I have learnt so much and gained so much more confidence from watching your videos. Jason. Queensland Australia 🇦🇺

@timothyupleger7007 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the info on this auto primary chain adjuster. I've used the screwdriver trick many times. Although I agree snapping the throttle will tighten the primary chain with this adjuster, I also found out that pulling a long mountain grade will also cause a tight chain. One of the best things I ever did to my 2007 FLHTCU was to install a Braker Drivetrain compensator and the manual Attitude primary chain adjuster. It eliminates the false over-tightening once and for all, along with smoothing out the dreaded primary chain snatch at startup.

@gohome4614 2 жыл бұрын

yep...did the baker install on '12 ultra as well during the bump up to a 110 w/cam and inner bearing work...to include a SE compensator....the new comp is way too noisy...clack clack clack, now going to install a man o war comp...anyway, baker manual chain tensionser is thumbs up!

@robdries7612 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much for this video. This helped me understand my primary so much better. And put my mind at ease about worrying if it needed adjustment or not.

@dougfresh1341 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the video! Your time and effort is appreciated. Owned Evo, Twin Cam, both old and new. Tried different chain adjusters. Despite the downside of the Harley one, it's as good as anything. Just maintain it if you ride it. Buy a factory manual and get the right tools...and watch Doc and others with the help here.

@truckrsteve3198 7 ай бұрын

Thanks for the video. I appreciate you for taking the time to make these videos for us. I'm working on my 2012 Heritage and this is definitely helpful.

@gdubbsmotolife9713 3 жыл бұрын

This is the only part on my 06 Dyna that I consistently worry about. Going to the Southern Oregon Hot Bikes unit next time I crack open the primary. They are local to me and I've heard great things.

@danchristopher7957 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Doc... you always break it down... so even us carpenters can understand.

@GJM866 4 жыл бұрын

Great information! I used aftermarket hydraulic chain tensioners on both of my Evo primary chains and was totally happy with the results. Did my research, then purchased them from Southern Oregon Hot Bikes part #HB-125.

@patrickfreeman205 4 жыл бұрын

One of the best Harley service channels out there.

@santorsa 4 жыл бұрын

This is the best explanation I have seen !!! 10 PLUS !!!!

@tat2dchris1 4 жыл бұрын

Always great content, informative, and to the point.

@aaronbrown5252 Жыл бұрын

Excellent video and thorough explanation on everything, including why the automatic tensioners can get too tight. Thank you!

@chadb5009 4 жыл бұрын

Didnt really cross my mind but i love learning all i can from one of the best HD techs out there.

@ChuckChrome Жыл бұрын

Thanks, this is great information for the few of us with stock bikes. So much chatter about how the automatic adjuster causes problems and this video adds much needed context to the conversation.

@LowCountryHarleyDavidson Жыл бұрын

Thanks for tuning in Chuck👍…..Doc

@jamessanchez9446 4 жыл бұрын

On my 2008 FXDC the automatic adjuster was over tightening my primary chain so much that the splines on my clutch hub broke off. I switch it out to a manual adjuster and have not had that problem since.

@johnrussell3196 3 жыл бұрын

Brilliant. Thanks for the instruction Doc.

@RTOutdoors 4 жыл бұрын

I love hearing that a young man bought that Road King. 👍

@darknitethunder 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Doc, you just made myself adjustment day, Great Again.

@danconlan64 4 жыл бұрын

I see @4:18 you got Mechanics finger complete with oily bandage LOVE IT !

@koolaidacidkilla179 4 жыл бұрын

Thank you very much Sir for the video. The teaching manner you have is very rare. Thank you very much.

@watchfuleye5193 4 жыл бұрын

Well explained procedure... Thanks Doc!!

@seavee2000 3 жыл бұрын

Great video-not sure why my 06 FLHRCI has the earlier manual adjuster fitted, a friday afternoon bike perhaps. Judging by some other problems I've had,probably!

@cjmueller5455 4 жыл бұрын

Like Chad, below, I love learning and seeing these parts. Now I can have an intelligent conversation with a tech if I need to. Thank you!

@richcanfield1387 4 жыл бұрын

Simply fascinating info Doc....Many Thanks!

@jeffweaver7011 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the info as always. Buuuuuutttt, what do I do if it's not tightening the primary chain at all? Can it be rebuilt or do I need to replace the tensioner assembly?

@BrewCityRider 4 жыл бұрын

Great video...many thanks for all the helpful info! 👍

@thejerseyj9422 2 жыл бұрын

Been thinking I should check my primary chain on my '04 Fat Boy and this shows up. Talk about timing !

@danpoczynek 4 жыл бұрын

thank you for the info, my 2011 street glide has 55k and I am planning another trip to Sturgis from Portland, Oregon I am guessing 3000 miles total or so and I will be taking my bike to the local dealer to do a service on it.

@jobeta22 4 жыл бұрын

Another wonderful and very informative video. Thanks to both Doc Harkey and to Low Country Harley. Keep them coming. Oh, can you make a video about the oil transfer. I have seen the Harley solution and the aftermarket fix. I want to see which fix I will do on my bike.

@LowCountryHarleyDavidson 4 жыл бұрын

Hi Jose, hope this video helps- kzfaq.info/get/bejne/h9Wcm7141ay5fIWV.html

@WagnerBeskow 2 жыл бұрын

Perfect explanation. Thanks

@larryc276 4 жыл бұрын

Great Information! Thanks DOC

@duanesifuentes4129 2 жыл бұрын

Great explanation, is it the same on a Street bob 114? I noticed yours is a chain, and mine is a belt.

@richpurslow3283 10 ай бұрын

Love all these videos, so many useful things to see.

@LowCountryHarleyDavidson 10 ай бұрын

Glad you like them…..Doc

@peterbalint7257 4 жыл бұрын

Doc, what's your opinion about the hydraulic tensioners?

@josteinhisen75 Жыл бұрын

Thanks, I love your videos.

@kenvrla9678 4 жыл бұрын

Interesting vid, doc. Stock adjuster on my 98 Ultra works fine and easy to check.

@fwschnaar3179 4 жыл бұрын

Great Video, and happy I found your Channel 👍...I don’t know if you will see this? I have a 2006 Road King (ex Police Bike) Mine has a Manual Adjuster... Thoughts? Also when shopping for parts, and I scroll through the Model Selection... It always has an option for the Road King Police... What’s the difference between the normal Road King and the Police Model ? 🤔🛵

@SmittybuiltHD 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for covering the older twin cam bikes. My 04 dyna is manual adjustment and i was just thinking about upgrading possibilities.

@adamakins9748 4 жыл бұрын

I have an 03 Dyna with 69666 on it now, I installed the auto adjusting tensioner around 25k very happy I did

@SmittybuiltHD 4 жыл бұрын

@@adamakins9748 the Harley one or aftermarket?

@adamakins9748 4 жыл бұрын

@@SmittybuiltHD The Harley one , had the primary apart to do a stator about 5k ago everything else in there is fine

@bikersoncall 3 жыл бұрын

Gold, now I can at least check my primary slack or lack of...thanks.

@jayadevdange7646 4 жыл бұрын

Hey , theres something that isnt anywhere online/ on forums.. which no channel or dealer has covered and I think it's important- All the major and minor differences between the Ultra Limited & CVO Limited.. right from the sound system, controls, seats, electronics, engine differences.. what all is standard on either machine.. it can be a video to demonstrate the value of the CVO and also create some marketing hype ! Cheers

@love2breathe737 Жыл бұрын

Hi Doc. Does the same hold true for the 2019 FLHC-107...I have herd a lot of night mares about the chain adjusters on the cam side and the primary side...

@unclemikeb Жыл бұрын

Awesome job on the video. Many thanks Doc.

@LowCountryHarleyDavidson Жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching Mike...Doc

@jasonmcmahon3426 3 жыл бұрын

Doc a guy called Hayden came out with one in 1980s uses double coils works fabulous I have 88 lowrider with one for 75 grand and good as day one

@chitosilerio3477 2 жыл бұрын

doc thank you so much for sharing your expertise, appreciate so much your technical advise am an avid follower i have a street 500

@danielgaskell5490 4 жыл бұрын

Thank you Doc!

@timbarnett3898 3 жыл бұрын

I'm having starter banging clunking noise from auto adjuster too tight! I'm going back to manual, investigating what brand best?

@1Bigduff 4 жыл бұрын

another great video. didn't realize my 2004 FXDWG had an adjustable primary tensioner. going to check it this weekend. thanks again.

@garymartin1147 2 жыл бұрын

There is a newer version of this tensioner now, 39929-06C. Could you check this one out and tell us the difference? Appreciate the great videos, you're the BEST!

@srhintz 3 жыл бұрын

Yes! Thank you Doc. Never heard any recommend checking the slack through the derby cover. Going to do that soon. Is the old building still a deli? Always liked that place.

@LowCountryHarleyDavidson 3 жыл бұрын

Yes, the old building is still a deli. Lots of great memories in that place. Thanks ~ Doc

@nickhildabridle1612 4 жыл бұрын

Doc. Thanks again for the educational opportunity to learn from a few ago till today. Keep up the great work. Any chance of a video on converting an 04 XLR from normal turn signals to an LED turn signal?

@scottgorman7166 2 жыл бұрын

Check out Custom Dynamics. Call the techs over there for your model bike. They have wafer thin LEDS that fit in your turn signal housing. You might need a load equalizer for your model. I have a 09 FLHX and changed mine and the rear brake light to a rope style that pulses. Boy do people back off your tail when slowing down. Shiney side up

@raphaelschoof8710 4 жыл бұрын

Thank you🙏 from the Netherlands 🇳🇱

@quartermain642 Жыл бұрын

Excellent lesson ..thank you

@LowCountryHarleyDavidson Жыл бұрын

Thank you for spending your time watching and comenting...Doc

@GeirOlafsson 3 жыл бұрын

The B was the third automatic tensioner if I understand correctly? The A was the second, and is the one installed in my 2009. From what I hear, the B tensioner should solve most problems. Still not sure I feel reassured since Doc here mentioned the aggressive throttle getting a to tight chain. Oh, and the chain TIGHTENS when the bike gets warm. Which means I have a hard time starting my 2009 again after filling gas... (Also seems plausible this tensioner of mine might be why it sounds like the compensator is on it's last legs. Haven't opened it up to check yet, will when I get a new tensioner. )

@ryanthomas9869 Жыл бұрын

you say they changed in 06, was it late 06? I have an 06 ultra, it still has the inspection cover and the manual gives you instructions on adjusting. Haven't taken it apart to check, but its in the plans. Need to pull primary to change drive belt(53k miles on her), shifter shaft seal, and shifter arm. May have to look into the retro fit upgrade.

@JeffinTD 3 жыл бұрын

Great video. The internet seems to magnify problems. From some channels you’d think the stock auto tensioner trashes everyone’s transmission bearings in 20,000 miles.

@williamolson3704 Жыл бұрын

No, "the internet" does NOT magnify the problem, on the contrary. The internet simply brings that problem to light.

@CabinGuy 2 ай бұрын

I've been thinking the same thing, sounds like you need to rebuild your bike every week or it will explode. I find doing routine maintenance and not riding like an idiot will avoid a lot of the problems people complain about.

@PitbullSoco 3 ай бұрын

Can you provide any insight into the newest version? The 39929-06C. I notice the ramp that was metal on the A and B version is now polymer like the shoe on version C. Is this strictly a cost cutting measure per usual from Harley or do you think the teeth being plastic will shear if the belt becomes overly tight by the ratcheting? Thank you

@brenodangelo5853 4 жыл бұрын

I believe that the biggest problem with the adjuster is in abrupt downshifts, when in some cases the tire gets to drag on the ground and also when we start motorcycles without a battery for shifting into gear while pushing the bike.

@MidnightExpressMC 2 жыл бұрын

Fabulous - thank you!

@LowCountryHarleyDavidson 2 жыл бұрын

You are so welcome!..Doc

@timbarnett3898 4 жыл бұрын

I couldn't find water pump on my 03' fxdx, but I did replace the primary chain adjuster with 06' Auto-adjuster an now every once in a while it slammed gears on startup. I've asked an told it's new auto adjuster slamming, Go back to manual adjustment! What do you think about this auto adjuster an starting slamming?

@outlaw6849 4 жыл бұрын

I Love your channel Doc, I have picked up so many Tips and Tricks, Your the Man! I would like to hear what you think about Hydraulic Tensioners? I’ve had the Stage V Tire Shredder Kit installed and I Love playing with all that extra power! I will check with long screwdriver!

@LowCountryHarleyDavidson 4 жыл бұрын

Hydraulic Tensioners are a great idea but the units need oil pressure to work properly.

@outlaw6849 4 жыл бұрын

Low Country Harley-Davidson I thought it just sat in oil, like an oil bath, what would you recommend? Thanks

@jameswalton8927 8 ай бұрын

Doc, Last weekend I rode my bike (street glide SP 16) It was about 105 degrees I think. Anyway my ride was fine until I got to my destination, I got back on the bike too move it and the clutch would not engage good, I finally got it moved. But what would cause this? After it cooled off it was fine, I also rode it a few days ago and the clutch feel fine.

@LowCountryHarleyDavidson 8 ай бұрын

There is an adjustment at the clutch. 1/4-3/4 turn out. BUT for police bikes during a competition we have to turn it out more for the extra heat. Heat can take up the slack at the 1/4-3/4 adjustment and disengage the clutch….Doc

@61espo 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks Doc!

@billmago7991 20 күн бұрын

nice to see a shovel being worked on.....40 yrs to upgrade , why change a good idea👍

@LowCountryHarleyDavidson 20 күн бұрын

My thoughts exactly….Doc

@Bruno-my9uf Жыл бұрын

Bingo !! Thank you. !!

@chuckfast5270 3 жыл бұрын

I believe that the 39929-06B primary auto adjuster didn't appear until 2009 or 10 models so the early adjuster is on 06 Dynas and all 07-09's. Also the 40063-05B retro for earlier models which I also have comes in two pieces (but is weirdly stamped as 39929-06B > go figure?)

@vanislandsteve 4 жыл бұрын

Like the screwdriver trick👍🏻 Although I run a Baker.

@leoverran311 3 жыл бұрын

Wow, a Baker

@pugloverg6671 4 жыл бұрын

Great video Doc has it going on....:)

@charleskittler4330 4 жыл бұрын

I am very surprised Dr Harley works on old Harleys 👍😎

@Patrick_B687-3 4 жыл бұрын

This is so topical for me right now. I was just wondering about these the other day!! I was looking at the online catalog for SE options and this was there. So, for my stock but stage one 04 Softail...Hope you can answer: 1. Is there much threat of the ratchet up issue on mine with the auto-tensioner? I’m middle of the road or less on aggressive throttle. Again, Stage-One, TC88B which is otherwise bone stock. 2. In two years, with only 11,000 miles still on the bike, I need PC Chain tightening every service. Is this typical? Thanks so much for your videos, I really enjoy and learn from them every time.

@LowCountryHarleyDavidson 4 жыл бұрын

Check your primary chain for a complete month, if it's always too tight consider the manual adjuster.

@bullast2046 2 жыл бұрын

I think instead of buying a manual adjuster to replace these, a lighter spring in that wedge might help.. these things make the slack “banjo tight,” as Kevin would say

@robbycyr2099 2 жыл бұрын

So this is why I can't find information on adjusting the primary chain on my '14 fxdf 103" Thanks!

@theone2be33 4 жыл бұрын

Do a video on battery voltages, bike off and on. What voltage should be. How throttle affects voltage. How to tell if your battery is good or bad.

@jordantserghanos2604 2 жыл бұрын

Great video, I have been looking at a manual tensioner like the SE manual and others. I see lots of compliments about the SE manual primary chain tensioner AND others. To the point of people removing them shortly after install. Why are the manual tensioners more noisy and what if anything can help quiet them down? I know it's also a subjective thing but there are too many online posts about manuals being very loud. Looking forward to your thoughts Doc. Keep up the great videos!

@LowCountryHarleyDavidson 2 жыл бұрын

When owners are use to the whine(sound) of the auto-tensioner and switch to the manual, most fail to find the "tight" link when adjusting the slack. So what started as a comfortable measurment for expansion in the primary is now way to much. even with my auto-tensioner I have started using the New HD gear oil for primarys and this has improved the sound...Doc

@jordantserghanos2604 2 жыл бұрын

@@LowCountryHarleyDavidson when you say "way too much, are you indicating that they wrongly adjust a loose spot and therefore the primary chain is over tight in some areas and thus wines and makes excessive noise?

@cadecvd 9 ай бұрын

Hey doc.. I’m Farely new rider got my 2008 ultra back 1 1/2 years ago and have a question.. when I go to start my bike people have said it grinds as I start it and I should have it looked at.. had a mechanic come out at Harley and listened to it.. he heard what my friends were talking about and said he had an ultra that did this and never figured out the problem.. it starts fine but he did say it may be the chain tensioner may be loose reason why I’m listening to this video and want to know your opinion on it.. when I first got my bike the guy I bought it from had a stripped ring gear.. I replaced it and then that one stripped I caught it quickly and put on a new one back on again and rebuild starter thinking it was the starter and has been fine but what would make the starting part grind as it starts.. not sure if you have a way for me to send you a sample video.. but I’m at a loss.. thanks!

@LowCountryHarleyDavidson 9 ай бұрын

You have not supplied much info about your bike. Mileage, modifications,services, age of battery and more. A part that is overlooked until it makes noise is the motor compensator. When this wears it lags behind the starter dragging the motor along. The difference between these two not working together makes a grinding noise. Without having your bike it is one of the things to check….Doc

@tylersanderson1324 2 жыл бұрын

My dealership won’t tell me so do you know if this part number will fit my 2002 Harley software Standard?

@raygregoryride 4 жыл бұрын

How wood one you just yourself like the old style would work in my 13 Limited

@richardphillips1041 10 ай бұрын

Hi Doc, great video as always..I have a 2022 114 Street Bob and have a whining noise from primary. I have been 'giving it some gas' since new and have 4,600 miles on it. I cant get or even see the chain through the derby so I am going to take Primary cover off and reset adjuster. If it is too tight do I need to set chain tension manually before I ride or will the adjuster ratchet up straight away? I dont want it slapping about until it has become correct...hope your well and thanks for all your great videos.

@LowCountryHarleyDavidson 10 ай бұрын

Manually adjust it to the proper deflection….Doc

@richardphillips1041 10 ай бұрын

@@LowCountryHarleyDavidson thanks Doc..

@MikeDennis-xb9qb Жыл бұрын

hello Doc . i have a 2006 103ci and it does not have the auto adjuster on the primary . i cannot seem to find what the adjustment measurement is . if you could advise me i would very much appreciate your help . Thank You Doc

@BikesILike 4 жыл бұрын

Only recently discovered you Doc am really enjoying your tech videos. I don't own a Harley but if I did I'd certainly want you working on it. I'd really like to hear your thoughts on Rekluse clutches, if you haven't already covered it?

@LowCountryHarleyDavidson 4 жыл бұрын

Fine for stock riding but if you're into performance upgrades I don't recommend it.

@AZSemperFi Жыл бұрын

The Doc is always on call and on point. Ha!

@LowCountryHarleyDavidson Жыл бұрын

Thanks….Doc

@mikebouchard527 3 жыл бұрын

HI doc can you do a video on the auxiliary switches on a 2014 street glide special Left side and right side The Harley instructions are very vague Maybe you can shut some light on this

@laurierae8672 4 жыл бұрын

Got a 2019 breakout every know and again after ride and stop and re start revs high around 16 17 some times come back to normal but not always not until be stop for a while not sure what’s going on

@exupakias 2 жыл бұрын

Super video.

@haroldsimpson7260 2 жыл бұрын

Do you ever come to the UK, I want you to service my road king. Top Man

@IrvingtonArms 2 жыл бұрын

My stock 96 broke the tranny main shaft with this auto chain tightener in my first 20K. When I had to have the transmission repaired a second time I took it out and put in a manual adjuster. This is not a hot rod, just a commuter.

@Firestorm637 4 жыл бұрын

Great video

@randysiler7458 Жыл бұрын

That was a great video. If you have a big TC motor I highly suggest a Baker Drivetrain manuel primary chain adjuster.

@LowCountryHarleyDavidson Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the tip.....Doc

@brucesantacory1390 2 жыл бұрын

Mike, some you tube content makers are blaming the Automatic primary adjusters on the pinion shaft run out and the crank scissoring, i have a Dyna with the TC103 and just a stage 1 with screaming eagle parts, much like my 06 yellow FXDC i had when we worked together. I'm in my mid 60's now and racing days long since gone, but i will play from time to time, should i be concerned with the auto tensioner causing a bigger problem with the crank and pinion shaft side ?

@LowCountryHarleyDavidson 2 жыл бұрын

The Auto-tensioner has its week points. When throttle abused. It can put additional stress on Compensator, clutch bearings, transmission bearings. I have not diagnosed a pinion shaft issue to a tensioner over tight. But there are many engine builder's like Baxter who can tell you more. Not addressing a loose or broken Compensator has ruined more flywheels...Doc

@chrisbowser2495 3 жыл бұрын

great video

@danielmoody8590 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the info, how much were is to much? the book says any were is to much... 2013 103 Electra Glide... thanks!

@ARMASARMY 4 жыл бұрын

Doc.... Could u make a video on clutch adjustment on Softail with M8 engine?... Thanks

@RickDelmonico 11 ай бұрын

When did the b version of the tensioner come out?

@robertsmall6076 2 жыл бұрын

Have an 06 softail has the manual chain tension easy to check 🤙🇺🇸

@LowCountryHarleyDavidson 2 жыл бұрын

Old school Rules....Doc

@johncasor9698 Жыл бұрын

Another Great Video... Thx...

@LowCountryHarleyDavidson Жыл бұрын

Thank you for watching....Doc

@Scott-tw8go 4 жыл бұрын

I want Doc working on my bike!

@FabryRock 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks

@loupuleff571 3 жыл бұрын

hey doc good video but i was wondering if this adjustment can be made thru the access cover i have a 99 road king that i acquired recently can i check and adjust properly thru the access cover ? thanks !!

@LowCountryHarleyDavidson 3 жыл бұрын

Yes Yes 👍 Big advantage of early Primary covers. Wish they still had them. Thanks ~ Doc

@loupuleff571 3 жыл бұрын

@@LowCountryHarleyDavidson thanks !!