Sky Rays are nice if you want something that can fire for a couple of turns, targeting "whatever", but especially enemy fliers, or even guiding another unit(it has Markerlight). Pretty good All-Rounder(6-21 damage from its main weapon per turn, if all shots wounds and goes through saves). Very effective in Kauyon, where you get to fight from start to finish and just get stronger. The Hammerhead is a deterrent piece. Its damage potential with a Railgun in a single turn is massive(11-26 damage if firing both Seekers and the Railgun at target). It has built in mechanics for more accurate shots against Monsters and Vehicles, and its Railgun has very good AP and the potential to ignore invuls, which just might come in clutch. The Hammerhead also has the option for the Ion Cannon(highest damage potential against tanks is 16-32 damage, depending on number of shots and damage roll of Seekers). Which is deadly in Mont'ka and when guided by a character that gives you Sustained hits. Suddenly, you have a tank that can take on both Marines, Elites and take chunks out of tanks.

If we take 115 breaches we can still be Man City.

I believe he was talking about the price of the squad + the cost of the enhancement to a different character rather than giving the upgrade to the character in the same squad

He's assuming that unit is now guiding the breachers.

I'm assuming the unit is being guided for by the enhancement, as you will have multiple breacher teams.

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I wish it didn’t punish split fire Also if a unit guides with marker lights then everything should get +1 vs that unit I know it would essentially give army wide bs3 but that’s hardly broken as over half the armies in the game have that and tau have no combat to balance their shooting.

Unfortunately, I doubt it, if they were going to they would have done it in the codex.

@rathstar that assumes the Codex didn't go to print around the same time as the Index rules, eg the beginning of 10th. The points values printed in the Codex would imply that these books have been set in stone since the beginning of the edition and thus this could very easily be the same wording mixup that is in the Index. Hence I'm asking about the errata which is gonna likely come for the Codex in about a month like they usually do. Maybe I'm deluding myself, but I cannot think of a reason the vespids would have just a worse ability other than a "typo."

@@aj.hardwick That's a possibility and I would hope for it to be true, but they did change something's, like buffing both stealths and skyrays, give carnivores oc2 and sticky, even correcting the ap on missile drones.

The +1 to hit against injured units is a close second, and if you take off those first wounds with some poper tau shooting (railside, hammerhead, stormsurge), you'll maintain +1 across the board.

Bring some Tau firepower units for "opening up" targets for your Kroot to get their +1 to hit and wound. Fireknife Crisis are pretty decent at that(full reroll to hit against full strength targets means less reliance on "For the Greater Good"). A Hammerhead is also pretty good at taking some wounds out of a variety of targets. A unit of Pathfinders with Rail Rifles can also provide some decent damage and utility for other Tau elements.

A lot of the units were simply "too good" with the new options provided by the Codex(not accessible in Index) if the price point remained the same. Several of the units were undercosted before. Breachers are definitely worth 100 pts just on their own. Decent durability(4+ save, -1 to wound at range) for the cost, excellent damage potential when in range. Devilfish are also worth 85 pts, with its overall speed, resillience, firepower and special rule. Cadre Fireblade might not have needed the points increase to 50 pts. It is hard to justify joining Strike Teams(they have more of a firesupport/holding role), and you would get more overall firepower and durability by simply bringing an extra Breacher Team for the points. But they do add "Concentration of Force" for the one Breacher Team they are leading(meaning enough firepower to take down much more expensive units, in a single activation). Riptides were undercosted at 165 pts for that kind of defensive profile. Personally, I think Broadsides went up too much. I didnt even like them at 90 pts(too slow), but could justify them in Montka at least. But at 110 pts, they are several steps behind other anti-heavy units in my opinion.

Breachers and Devilfish were arguably some of the best units in the game pre-codex at their points cost. Adding in MontKa rules to allow them to be leveraged even harder was insane. Having solid army rules and near bis selected allowed it to punch up way higher than the cost. Its not like GW is crapping rules and lowering points to make you spend an extra $10 to have your belly full with a plate full of army.

Thanks man I do try. Question for you, the play style hasn't changed since index in fact it's got better with more tools. So when you say they've taken the fun out of it what are you referring too specifically?

@@Puretideprogram Idk my play style that felt fun was all the guns on the suits and ripping through a bucket of dice on CIB shots blowing up stuff. The invuln being taken aeya from suits bleh... The kroot being 6 up only that can't guide or be guided like.. There may be a wya to make a comp list from Tau still but it's not easily accessible and if anything the ceilings gone up again. It's a really bad taste in my mouth to make the tetras legends and take away our re rolls.

They said they want forge world to only be for the big units they cant make easy in plastic.. if i was a betting man they are thinking of bringing out the two battle suits in plastic and make them a riptide variant or somthing like that.. but thats just the feeling im getting

The Barracuda is the most puzzling, it’s one of the newest kits out there. Makes no sense if they’re not already planning a plastic version - which also doesn’t make sense as they’re actively making sure ALL flyers suck in 10th

@@ELx234that may be true, but it is stupid that they would remove them without announcing a replacement kit beforehand

These people are all shills paid by GW to put a positive spin on the atrocity.

Tau is not supposed to be an "easy" army to get the most out of. They are a binary-style force with next to no melee, but a lot of movement and shooting tricks. Which means you have to really know what you do, or your movement or shooting will not compensate enough. In other terms, you could say that the skill floor(the requirement to do "ok") and skill ceiling(the win potential) of the Tau are both quite high.

Okay that's a wild statement care to elaborate why you think that?

Hey Kyle, I can’t speak for the op, but my list went up 300 points + the loss of tetras. That’s essentially eliminates my competitive advantage. I’m trying to remain positive, but I went from finally feeling like the hunter back to being patiently hunted. I deeply appreciate the positive outlook, but it’s tough for us non-pros with limited mini collections to compete after a 300 point hit.

@@jeremymcallister8926 So your army was 3 breacher fish, 3 Riptides and 3 units of Broadsides? The army consist of more than just those units, you know?

I’m aware. That’s why I mentioned being a non-pro with a limited miniature range. Broadsides and breacherfish make up the majority of my personal collection. Regardless of the list, almost everyone lost 2-4 units. Thus, losing my competitive edge.

@@jeremymcallister8926 If you are a non-pro with a limited miniature range, "competetive range" was not really there to begin with. If you build a very specialized army with very little variety in models, then any points and rule changes, or just changes in overall meta(due to more factions getting their codex released) will always be a large risk to your army's performance. You claim that most lost 2-4 units, but what about the people who were going to be using a lot of Crisis Suits? They went from a base of 200 pts for 3 models, all the way down to 130 pts(for Starscythe configuration). That is between 30 to 70 pts saved per unit. And you can bring a total of 9 of them. What about people who did not overload on Breacher-fish and Broadsides, but instead brought a bunch of Piranhas, Hammerheads and Pathfinders? I am not saying all the point increases are jusified(personally, I dont get why Broadsides and Cadre Fireblade were increased to this extend), but to claim that the army as a whole has lost its "competetive edge" just because you had an army with a narrow range of models that were affected, is a bit of a stretch.