"If a joke doesn't have a grain of truth, it's actually not funny at all." -Life

Peter, you sir made me chuckle.

***** Who defines beauty? Music? Joy? That's as good evidence for God as any. Even if it's a "God of the gaps" argument. ;)

What is the point of a NON-omnibenevolent God? You might as well go back to worshipping Zeus.

Anonymously Anonymous well since Omnibenevolent means all good he would have to be good by all accounts and definitions including subjective definitions meaning it would eventually become self contradictory as two peoples definitions clash

Dead as Dreams Well, he gets points for remaining consistent. Perhaps loses a few points for holding that view in the 21st century.

Dead as Dreams Tell your brother I said "It rubs the lotion on its skin. It does this whenever it is told" I bet his opinion changes when he could be the slave. And yes that is a Silence of the Lambs quote, I'm not in the habit of kidnapping people and making them slaves.

+NonStampCollector So I suppose that means that he doesn't really get any points at all. The loss of point makes up for the giving of points. In the end, he's still just as stupid as before!

Dead as Dreams At least he is an honest Christian.

Dead as Dreams same here bud but with a different relative in my case

Where the Atheist gives a bunch of straw man arguments! 100% agreed!

@@johnclifford9552 where is there a strawman here?

Dancing around the question and saying the same thing over and over? Yep, this is too accurate.

The Biblical law is designed to eliminate ancient slavery, indirectly. It frees Israelites, but requires foreign slaves to be circumcized and included in the Passover, so that they convert (or their children do), and then they are freed, and go on to free anyone they might own. This is how the region converted from an ancient slave society to a non-slave society. The Christians did something analogous.

@@annaclarafenyo8185 False foreign slaves were slaves for life what you just said is a complete made up lie.

Ask them: If it's so inevitable, why is it banned today?

@@warrenschrader7481 Developed countries have outlawed this practice. Unfortunately overseas in developing countries there is still slavery. His point is that human social hierarchies are inevitable. The deeply disturbing aspect of this idea? Not all societies are hierarchical, some are egalitarian. However a study of history suggests that the societies that develop hierarchies tend to overtake the egalitarian societies. This means that the bible is quite literally a collection of religious myths that colonizers use to condone forced assimilation. The European monarchies and the American settlers both used the bible to justify colonialism. Important to note the Roman empire was already massive, they were late adopters of Christianity around the 3rd century AD (Emperor Constantine liked Christianity and popularized it) and so Rome didn't need to use the bible to justify colonization of the ancient world.

Read the Bible to learn how to beat your slaves. A very sick book.

provided guidance for how to do it correctly? So beating up slave as long as they're still alive a day or two is okay? Is it okay to inherited slave for life? is it okay to take human as property?

@@TheKingofTheUniverse. I pointed these verses out and he had pre-rehearsed defensive arguments at the ready. I swear, arguing with these people will turn you in to an atheist if you weren't already. No bar is too low for them. The Abrahamic canon is used as apologia for colonialist barbarism, it's no wonder neo nazis love the bible.

Jedke Mekt You are an ignorant. Christians where the very first to abolish slavery.

paul morgan So?

paul morgan Slaves owners where excommunicated by the pope in the 15th century. The so-called christians justifying slavery where heretics. They returned to judaism. The bible is made of 2 books : the Torah, which was the law of the Israelites, and the Gospel, which corrects the law of the Israelites. Christians don't apply the law of the Torah directly. They filter it thru the teachings of Jesus. We are not Jews. Stop pretending we are. That's because of those teachings of Jesus that we where the very firsts to abolish slavery. Protetsantism is a failure. They have no coherence what so ever.

He came to correct the law, did he? How about this from Matthew 5:17: Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.

paul morgan And Jesus said also to love your ennemies too. What's your point?

JoelJoel321 Not at all. Only some protestant sects speak that way. I am an orthodox christian and my point of view is quite the one expressed by the angels : there are no Greek or Jews. There are no slaves or free men. All are one in Jesus christ. Therefore all the double standards in the Torah between Israelites and gentiles is void. Protestants are heretics. They have been excommunicated from the church. Their are teaching judaism. not christianity.

protestants are actually OK. i've entered many catholic churches before :) i'm an evangellic brazilian, btw.

Λογος ?

Λογος So you worship to a “Creator” your WHOLE life and what are you rewarded with? The opportunity to go to Heaven and WORSHIP the SAME “creator” for ETERNITY. Doesn’t that sound like a scam. Imagine I said give me $10 today and then you ONLY have to give me $10 every day for eternity. And if you don’t? You burn for all eternity. You see how that sounds weird

Jamaine Bowman That's not a good comparison. Worshiping God costs £0. I'll give him that £0 daily as long as I live.

I'm a Christian here. If there's any question who have about slavery in the bible, you can ask me.

I admire your bravery and persistence in looking for truth where those around you dare not. I know your comment is now years old, I hope you're finding or have found your path.

​@@creativecontent3987 I don't think there's anything to ask you. The Bible clearly endorses slavery. End of story. If you're asked any questions, you'll probably lie.

​@@pythondrink I don't think that's reasonable to say. I'm trying to find the truth about the world as well.

@@creativecontent3987 you know what? I guess I was kinda rude. I'm sorry about that.

@Mr. Davidson is your pfp the guys who didnt like musicals,,?

This comment started World War V 😂😂😂😂

Ugh

Oddly enough, everything has come full circle in the last 5-10 years. Religion is barely even a consideration, but all the people that went on to become "woke" in atheism+ are the ones who have lost all sense of reason. It's quite fascinating to have witnessed honestly. The old Christian busy bodies have been replaced by busy bodies of another sort. A sort that took us backwards 100 years in how they want to treat others. Creating racial tension that they manufactured for political and power grabs. Once again, here we are at the next phase of the Marxist playbook. Trading a faith in a religious ideology for one based in an authoritarian dogma of a political nature. IT's rather impressive that in a time where we have access to more information, more accessible witnesses to history, philosophy, etc. that so many have still fallen into the same old trap that has been thrown down right in front of them like it has in so many other fallen nations in just the industrialized era. We really are still this dumb.

@@DickDickstein do you count actual white supremacists among those "Creating racial tension that they manufactured for political and power grabs." ?

+Sebastian Oconnor Isn't it interesting how so many people ditch Christianity as soon as they actually read the Bible? XD

@@thedarkestcat pretty sure the real God is quite displeased at the trash his self-proclaimed followers are pushing about as "his word"

At least the holy spirit awarded your prayer for good understanding of the bible.

Sebastian Oconnor Me too

Sebastian Oconnor thank god, eh?

Doesn't really matter though since they don't practice this anymore.

Really? You think people don't practice slavery still? Also, even in countries where slavery is abolished, there are enough Christians who still believe this is the correct way to live and that we should still allow such things. A few groups you can start with: skinheads, neo-nazis, the alt-right, etc...

I don't care what people believe so long as they don't act on it. And I'm not aware of slavery in majority Christian nations, though I admit I have not looked into it.

Green Elephant Well if you don't know, slavery is well alive in the US. It simply isn't called that, but there are plenty of cases of it. The most prominent of which is the prison system in which prisoners to be considered well behaved and make enough to do things like afford snacks, tampons (for women prisoners), and calls home have to make products for basically nothing... Meanwhile the prisons sell these items for ridiculous amounts of money. Some items the public are pretty much required to buy - like license plates for you car. And make no mistake about it, there are far more black and brown people in prisons today than white. And they have been getting longer sentences than their white counterparts for decades. There's other examples too, but I don't want this comment to get too long.

The prison system is entirely different from slavery, and even if there are unjust inequalities in sentences, nearly every single person there did something to put themselves there. There's a difference between putting yourself in that position and being actually forced into that position. Also they aren't being whipped, aren't property, still have rights, etc.

I think the Roman (royal) authors were very mixed up. There is jesus having a relationship with John...the disciple jesus LOVED. Then there's Ruth and Naomi...the wordused for love there is the same love between a man and a woman. Then there's paul with his weird relationship with Timothy. And don't forget David and Jonathon's love relationship... god said to be fruitful and multiply to the man and woman in the garden and then paul states it's best to be single. It's a mish-mash of lies and garbage! I am not against anyone's sexuality, just pointing out the hypocrisy.

Well, "different" WOULD be female. I seriously doubt that any female had a hand in telling these stories, especially since women in those days were chattels and not worth teaching to read and write. And definitely not worth listenig to.

​@@QuestionThingsUseLogic Im not even gonna refute this comment but its just you pushing an agenda you have on a book which clearly does not reflect said agenda

@@darabakare7591 the bible is fiction.

Remember that the same author standardized genital mutilation of men and treats them as livestock in many cases. Seems like an all around hateful bunch :D

It's tricky.

People have been pointing out nonsense and immorality in the bible for literally hundreds of years. Read 'Candide' by Voltaire (published 1750- something)

Nothing difficult about being a heathen. Punching down is easy​@@NonStampCollector

@@IconoclastX if they are too short, it is easier to kick. Even all of the dubious morality aside tho, why is the Bible just about the time in which it was written? That is a human restraint. If God were meant to guide our religion in steps leading us to the current day, in attempt to get it to continuously improve, then he could produce a book of his own that flawlessly reflected his word and have it rain down from the heavens as a wonderous drizzle across the world for all to read. If he didn't want it to flawlessly show his word, but rather guide us slightly ahead of our current standing morality, he could do this drizzle of updated Bibles periodically. As powerful as he is, it would take him a fraction of an instant to ideate such an update every, say 100 years. I would also like to question why God sounds so ignorant about the true nature of hail and acts as though they are in "storehouses" in the story of Job. Was he lying to man about the true nature of hail? It is said he is always truthful so this should not be the case. I suggest it was man's word, not some divine being, or else he could have regaled us with facts that we only know now due to modern science. God is meant to be infallible, perfect. Whether the contradictions of the Bible can be explained through "context"--even though God is unchanging--indicates a failure on his part. The Bible is meant to accurately reflect his word right? Why did he even have fallible humans execute this task when he could do it himself? By having humans do it for him, he made himself look terrible because of humans' stupidity and inability to align their stories as a single, consistent representation of God. You cannot escape his love, but he chooses to hate people who hate him? God doesn't even sound like Jesus and him could be the same person. God is wrathful while his son is rather passionate at times but strangely became passive approaching death. If he were anything like Yahweh, he would've decided to cause a plague or ten for what was done to him. Jesus and God are the same person but also father and son right (honestly I forget this part might be wrong it sounds kinda weird)? If so, what accounts for the difference between the two in terms of kindness versus wrath ["just" wrath according to Christians]?

@@IconoclastXit’s not punching down on the worlds biggest religion it’s punching up against an oppressive force

N-no not really lord..

I lose it every time

Hilarious

No not really... LORD: "He who kidnaps a man, whether he sells him or he is found in his possession, shall surely be put to death." - Exodus 21:16 Angles: "Ok, now we're talking!"

@@johnclifford9552 Ah, more contradictions. Exodus 21:20-1 "And if a man smite his servant, or his maid, with a rod, and he die under his hand; he shall be surely put to death" "Notwithstanding, if he continue a day or two, he shall NOT be punished: for he is his money" Exodus 21:26 "And if a man smite the ey of his servant, or they eye of his maid, that it perish; he shall let him go free for his eye's sake" Oh dont worry, as long as they havent died or been blinded, any amount of violence is ok. Fuck off, you walking contradiction.

Techn0 for life lol yes

Techn0 for life EXACTLY!! Haha!

@@jonathangrover3176 Even if the discussion is being civil, it is still hilarious that people discuss this shit as if events described in the bible actually happened (referring to some of the subthreads above this one...)

I’m literally eating popcorn. I finished the whole bag from just the video and reading the comments

Farts

Glad to be of service.

Well Try doing finding errors in the Qur'an.

@@The_muslim_maurauder I'm not familiar with the Qur'an but I'm sure it's the same as any other holy book. Every religion claims that their holy book is the most accurate or precise but all religions do is make unfalsifiable claims about the supernatural that can never be proven. I'm much more familiar with the bible because I was a christian for most of my life so I'm much more familiar with all the stories.

@@matthewdragomir2261Islam and Christianity mainly contain the same stories, like Adam eve,prophets like Abraham, king Solomon, lut, Noah,Moses, Jesus, Mohammad (peace be upon them all). I beleive that God has ONE message and he sent down prophets over time along with revelations, but people misinterpreted it, edited it, didn't listen etc and created these many religions, like Jesus, unlike EVERY SINGLE HOLY PERSON was a prophet,not a literal.God. or his biological son. But well- So anyway Mohammad saw is the last prophet from God almighty, and this is the final, the Qur'an it is unchanged,you might think I'm lying or I'm just one sided, well look for yourself . I get why you find God thesis illilogical, but for me, Athiesm is a big scientific fallacy, it just doesn't add up. Everything has a creator, everything. You cannot get SOMETHING out of nothing.

@@The_muslim_maurauder Oh well, a bad bit of work there on the long term; that might have been avoided if He'd checked sufficiently how the future would turn out. I suppose, we could chose neale Walsch's god, next? He has a fairly good track record in clear, published, communication. Perhaps that was how it was always meant to be conveyed?

or that slavery is slavery, no matter how thick those rose colored glasses are. simple truth is, these fanatics will justify just about anything to keep this delusion that they have this speed dial relationship with an imaginary super friend. how hard it is for them to admit, they, their parents, their grandparents, and their ilk, are wrong, so utterly and demonstrably wrong.

Terrell Travis It's typical Christian special-pleading.

Slavery is wicked no matter when or where. You won't find a place in scripture where God commends a people for owning slaves..but that is besides the fact. Do you know that the Bible says that everyone is a slave? I'm not making it up. Please look up Romans 6:20... and please read it,in context,so you know I'm not feeding you a line on KZfaq. Please let me know,your thoughts on this verse. Thanks for,listening!!

Hi 12th degree ninja!! Where do you get the idea about an imaginary friend. Are,you saying that you doubt the historicity of Jesus Christ?

I'm not talking about the actions of sinful people like me..and you, and King James. I'm talking about God. It's similar to people saying there should be no interracial marriage. God does NOT say that. It's just poor reading...If people read novels like they read the Bible, most novelists would be doing something else.The book of Romans is written to CHRISTIAN people who were very familiar with slavery, so Paul used an illustration that would got their attention. And you are absolutely correct about Paul. He WAS Saul, a persecutor of Christian people in the early Church. That's what is so great about the New Testament..over half of it was written by a former blaspheming God-hater, like Saul of Tarsus!! That would be similar to Bin Laden, becoming a Christian, and planting a church in Manhattan. That is nothing but pure Grace.

Vincent ValenHYDE But wasn't it God's word?

According to the bible full of contradictions, sure.

Galaxy Otter. God is a creation of man's imagination.

@@damiengermosen5367 It was, long time ago till man screwed it up Read Qur'an 😃

@@ayanoitami7163 I'm atheist so, yeah. And I read Quara

It's because acknowledging the Bible's obvious approval of slavery would be a fatal crack in the edifice of his/her worldview. He or she realizes, at some level, the implications of what you're pointing out, that the Bible is inherently immoral, and that therefore either God is also immoral or else the Bible didn't come from God. Accepting any one of these is potentially an end to much of what he or she believes as a Christian, which in turn may have devastating effects on his or her family and social network, to say nothing of his or her sense of identity and purpose in life. For deeply indoctrinated believers, it's an enormously fearsome prospect.

Most christians I know just dont try to defend or apply the old testament at all.

I am Christian and I'm also against slavery but id like to say I can see why so many people did it. Look at greece for example there economy was built on slaves but look what it did for them they where some of the most successful people of there time and since a lot of the work was taken up by slave labor you had people who had time for philosophy. But I do think slave labor is wrong.

Actually, one big reason churches, mosques, and synagogues whitewash, water down and outright lie and deny horrific slavery, female abduction, young virgin slavery, murder of all males, no matter what age, lot giving up his daughters to be raped and killed for the lives of two strangers, a priest who gives up his concubine or sex slave, to be giving over to men in an wicked city, to be raped and killed. There is big business in keeping the flock blinded, ignorant, brain washed to any sensibility, just to maintain power and steady flow of billions, if not trillions of dollars. AMEN!!!!!😢

⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@Turner-ex4ydwell, it’s not loving for sure. Someone who defends slavery is clearly voicing as the beneficiary in the situation, it gave grand benefits to a few nation's wealth, while destroying the others. Lots of countries are still recovering from this history. Everyone can see why some people defend a cruel deed for their own good, it's just like a robber lies for their own. It’s not so deep.

Good on you. Once we rid the planet of religions, then, and only then, can we start to really advance this civilization.

Your not alone my friend.

I've recently challenged my faith. These videos bring me hope that I havent 'lost' anything. This god is a sicko.

What you needed was community, not God, necessarily. As someone with seizures - I wish you and your family luck.

If you were “begging” in prayer then you were doing it wrong and only doing it with something to gain. That’s now how family or friends act. God is our Father and to only ask him for things when we need him, isn’t love.

Yahubur Yahu WOT

Same as Islam. Its all a hoax.

Mostly because it is out of context. Bible doesn't allow for indentured slavery. Or a man to be stolen. A man however can put inself to work for a period of 7 years but at the end he has write a contract to stay or ago. And is forgiven of all debts. And every 50 years. Many times the allow for evil things such as divorce or secondary wives but I'd you read the bibical narrative it doesn't mean it is approved or not sin.

@@sonicrocks2007Source?

@Square Wave Source: read the OT, NT, Rabbinic writings. Read all of the books of Paul, Moses, and pick up a Talmud commentary. Read Dr. NT Wright and Dr. Michael Hieser on the subject. In Genesis written by Moses. you get this subversive storytelling about Jacob selling himself as a slave to his family for 7 years and was abused and he left the contract. The moral of that story is how slavery goes wrong and how dirty contracts are. Another story in Genesis is about Joseph sold into non-Jewish slavery and it was brutality and living though it. Then you have the story of Moses himself and his story letting all the slaves free and reforming the law. When writing Deuteronomy Mose’s law were influenced by Sumerians, Egyptian, Canaanite laws..but he tried to Reform them, invert them and Subvert. Ie Changing the laws of Ma’at and creating the 10 commandments instead. Coming out of Slavery, Moses Added new laws like the year of jubilee which reset all debt and slavery, He also made slavery illegal unless during war or with signed contract and within ones community and most times family members and considered family. He also reformed policies saying you can’t kill slaves, something he was guilty of himself. Also slaves couldn't owe from the Fathers debt (unless a political enemy). Major reforms. He However did allow beatings, death, kicked out of the camp or repayment for crimes such as bestiality, adultery, theft, etc however beatings were for civil law. There are no prisons back then. After Moses writes the laws he notices that every time they are broken. And his 613 laws are incomplete. He concludes that a new covenant and heart is needed and laws won't help. See Dr. Micheal Heiser's works. From there the Oral law came. The Oral law added more restrictions to complete the law of Moses. The Law of Moses allowed things polygamy etc and The Oral laws would have heavier restrictions and over rode the commandments of Moses. Romans Conquered the Jews and the Jews tried to change one Roman law and they were destroyed.Christians came on the scene and instead of adding more laws, instead focused on the idea of Spirit. If you felt like something was wrong or someone else did, that could override the laws as well. Paul was Roman Citizen, however Jewish to, and at times a slave for money. He couldn’t write Laws against the Roman Authority or he would be executed as a traitor. He wrote laws, Like love your spouse when they are wrong which was juxtaposed to the Roman law if the woman is wrong, kill her. He wrote a lot of things that subverted or bluntly inverted Roman law and practices. Giving power and respect to women and slaves, slaves should be treated above their masters even. Paul didn’t last long and him and all of his followers were executed for a couple different reasons. Neither did Jesus who also tried subverting both Roman and Jewish law. Paul, Moses, Jesus, Hillel were all huge culture reformers but they did so through subversion and tried to get minor wins in cultures where they were literally slaves. See Ph.D. Tom Wright Saying Moses, Paul, Hillel, Jesus didn’t do enough for fixing slavery, is like saying Dr. Martin Luther King shouldn't be listened to because he didn't stop police brutality. Literally all the Christians and Jews were killed in two-three wars trying to change Roman Culture alone. Around 100 CE Judaism and Christianity evolved they were pretty much all against slavery, tried bring equality and religious freedoms. This led to war and many died. Eventually around 300 CE Rome Converts to Christianity and slavery would become illegal Around 1200 C.E. + For 900 years Christianity had outlawed Slavery and replaced it with Serfdom. However slavery would come back changed Transatlantic Slave Trade. Both Christians and Jews tried to stop slavery. Jews were in fact have very little evidence participating in it. However by 1600s it would become rampant. For two reasons below. A Group of uneducated Christians justify slavery because of Curse of Ham interpretations of the Bible. However another group Christians called this bad scholarship and fought them and tried stopping slavery. Bad Science is called “evolutionary racism”. It taught from 1600s to 1950s that Africans were the most uncivilized and dumb of all races. This "scientific fact" did an extreme amount of damage. In the 1950s all of science and religion agree Curse of Ham and Evolutionary Racism were just used by Racists. Science and Religion reject them and move on. But it still lingers on. Religion changes over time just like Science. Both Christians and Jews believe slavery were wrong for over 2000 years. Read the NT, Midrash, Talmud etc. A lot of the Bible like the shows: “Game of Thrones” or “The Watchmen.” It tells stories with high amounts of violence, rape, slavery. However, it never portrays it as good, instead a curse that needs to be faced head on or subverted. If the video doesn't cover these topics it is being deceitful or lacks rigor. It doesn't discuss any major points of this huge topic. Very poor video. Hope that helps.

+KEMO Cali again fool. Remove the chip from your shoulder and maybe you wont be so miserable

Gerald Bennett Who said I was miserable? But again also proves why I I'm not a BELIEVER because the very first thing you did was JUDGE me by saying I'm "miserable". I'm HAPPY for your information, THANKS 😃

Gerald Bennett Dude, have you read that bible verse? How do you really feel about that?

+KEMO Cali Yeah, pretty funny how Christian's are supposed to be forgiving and not judgmental and all you have to do is scroll down and watch them doing just that.

Bandit I noticed the other guy 👆never did answer my question. How do you feel about Slavery being excerpted in the bible? I guess God didn't have answer for that.

That's really nice to read. Made my afternoon after a shit day at work. Thanks man!

@@NonStampCollector NSC, you are the man. I am so thankful for all you’ve done over the years through these videos. Each is a work of art with spectacular writing.

Darkmatter2525 does a fantastic job of that as well.

If you want a better understanding of what the Bible actually says, watch "Why the Bible (doesn't) Support Slavery" by Whaddo You Meme. It's a great response vid, and contains some really interesting points! This video here is embarrassingly under-researched, and purposely avoids passages like this: Exodus 21:16 (NASB95) “He who kidnaps a man, whether he sells him or he is found in his possession, shall surely be put to death. Clear statement that prevents slavery. "Voluntary slavery" probably sounds like an oxymoron to you, but it's because you have a modern anachronistic way of reading the Bible. The word "slavery" doesn't technically appear in the Bible at all! Here's another theme of the Torah you purposely didn't take into account: Leviticus 19:34 (NASB95) ‘The stranger who resides with you shall be to you as the native among you, and you shall love him as yourself, for you were aliens in the land of Egypt; I am the LORD your God. Yet another issue, some of the peoples described in the Torah were burning babies alive. I have no problem with those people receiving a life sentence of community service! It's better than they deserve. I guess you believe that those people have a right to burn their babies alive and that Yahweh doesn't have the right to do anything about that. Also, remember that anyone could become an Israelite, or dwell among the Israelites ... another point clearly and purposely dodged in this video.

@@lizzard13666 - lovely cherry-picking tap dance… not buying it… boy the hoops you guys will jump through to defend your f'd up book… lol. I could supply links to well-constructed arguments that include passages you're conveniently omitting here, but unlike you I don't feel the need to convince anyone my view is correct. Smart people in the 21st Century (of which you might be one, IDK) who buy into the supernatural claims of the bible clearly have what Apple coined a "secure enclave" where your belief in the supernatural resides, and reason & logic cannot penetrate. Even though believers try to use this same reason & logic in navigating every other aspect of their lives, their faith would be decimated if reason were permitted to get through.

happy for you !

Happy for you. Videos like these helped me leave Jehovah's Witnesses.

Hang in there Melissa and live your life to the fullest, I tell people this when they ask me about religion, you treat people how you want to be treated and let the cards fall where they may when you die, if a God has a problem with that I say fuckem that's his problem. Also no one can prove or disprove a god exist it's just an opinion, not a fact.

Peter Marreck Pete you're a little nicer than I am ,I tell them to fuck off and let people live their lives.

Timothy Williams Fortunately I don't judge the non-nice (does that make me the most Christian lapsed-Christian? lol) but just anecdotally, I've found that more flies are attracted by honey, and I enjoy leading people to see things as I see them (as well as trying to see things as they see them and maybe meet somewhere in between). I can understand your frustration if that's where your attitude comes from, though. We live in a world of people who think science is devilry and punishment is order

Peter Marreck yeah I see your point, but sometimes you got to go there with these knuckleheads.

Melissa remember the truth needs no apology or excuses, it can stand on its own. You said it in your post ,when you questioned the "faithful" they would give you some BS answer like trust and believe.

true.

+Ebony Atheist WELL AFRICANS NEVER HAD A RELGION TIL EUROPEANS FORCED IT ON THEM>>>THEY USE MEDITATION OR VOODOO TO CONNECT THEIR PINEAL GLAND WITH THE UNIVERSE>>>THE EGYPTIAN GOT IT FROM SOUTHERN WESTERN AFRICA>>AUTHOR: MICHAEL TELLINGER >>BOOK>TEMPLES OF THE AFRICAN GODS...................PS KZfaq:SANETER TV

david Truth Yeah I read about that.. Thanks for the info

its good

+Ebony Atheist You reject Gods decisions and standards but offer only your own standards; based on what? Nazis did not believe there was anything wrong with death camps. There standards were not from God but from man. After all if not God's rules then yours?

The old testament law is clever, because it indirectly leads to the elimination of slavery. That's the main social force driving the spread of monotheism.

@@annaclarafenyo8185 that's not clever or divine or ethical. And didn't lead to ending slavery. It only makes sense if it's just ignorant unethical humans scratching to survive.

@@ihatespam2 It is extremely clever, because it replaces ancient slave society with medieval Feudal society in one stroke. It led to ending ancient slavery in the 700s AD, at least in the part of the world controlled by Abrahamic religions. The question of whether it's ignorant humans or divine is meaningless. It's the same as the question of whether it's you, or it's just ignorant brain-cells firing to get more sodium and potassium. The mechanism of divinity is humans. It ISN"T scratching to survive, though. Slave societies are stable. To eliminate slavery, you need to do something quite profound and ethical.

@@annaclarafenyo8185 That makes zero sense. The questionable suggestion that it happened at all due to Old Testament law is not in evidence let alone is the unsubstantiated claim that there was some intelligence behind it that was "clever." If this collection of mythical sayings and crowd control was "clever" or ethical, it could have simply stated that it was immoral. But there isn't one shred of evidence to suggest they were somehow plotting to eventually stop slavery. On the contrary they were supporting and enabling the situation. You claim is a strong as me saying a cave painting from 6000 years ago led to Picasso.

@@ihatespam2 It's crowd-control that eliminates ancient slavery, and replaces it with a 7 year bond. That crowd-control was so popular, when the Romans came in and introduced Roman law, with it's chattel slavery and permanent caste inequality, the people of Judea fought three ruinous wars which led to genocidal destruction of the land. That means, fight to the death, forty years later fight to the death, forty years later fight to the death. And lose every time. Spartacus after spartacus. And still the number of Jews and Christians increased through conversion, until Christianity was the dominant religion, and then the official religion of Rome. The motivation for these wars, and for the conversion, was that Judea was a free society, and Rome was a slave society. The slaves in Rome were pitted against each other in fights to the death, were raped regularly, were worked to death in mines and ancient analogues of factories. In Judea, production meant individual free workmen, like carpenters, doing individual free labor. Not armies of slaves. That's the difference between the middle ages and Rome. The armies of slaves. They disappear as religion spreads. The 19th century secular abolition of slavery was more complete, and better. But it was inspired by the ancient abolition, through religious codes. 19th century abolition dealt with completely different issues--- profit and capitalism--- not with ancient caste codes. But of course cave paintings led to Picasso. The cave-paintings are pretty good, also, given the material restrictions.

They'll use a strawman argument like "what about X religion?"

The mindset of today's religious people

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It's like arguing with a right wing extremist, honestly.

@@fluffynator6222 It's like arguing with anyone that holds part of their identity with a group or party.

@@friendlyoldbum9182 Not entirely accurate. People like that generally don't try to defend morally ambiguous ideas like slavery.

It's a dumb video.

@@tsapp2831 you know what's really dumb? Person replying to the comment from 2 years ago

@@alanawake3038 and then someone else replying to that one. Lol

@@tsapp2831 i am replying to 2 weeks old reply not 2 years old comment 😄

@@alanawake3038 yes, your replying to my reply to a 2 year old Post 😕

Jonathan J Hammersticks Brilliant!

Super easy, barely an inconvenience!

maybe hes a schizophrenic deity?

U forgot to say that there is much more like incest, rape so many more things i dont even want to make a list here

Firo Prochainezo Don't forget cannibalism! Always a crowd pleaser!

***** we should stop before we start going into details

Firo Prochainezo Don't worry. It's holy cannibalism.

+Debbie Bee Yep.

You would want to read what the credulously committed say back to me on my page when discussing genocide in the bible. It'd make you want to throw up! 100% ducking and weaving, never ever a straight yes we have a real problem here. I have to repeat myself, then get called out for yes repeating myself. My patience is almost out. I dont think they are bad people; its that they have perfected the techniques of skirting the central issue in order to protect their 'souls'.

​@@helihobbitA Christian told me it's permission.

It's good to see people still watch these old videos.

The old testament is Jewish ^_^

@@allanshepard938 Why are you sock-puppeting that comment in every thread? The old testament is also Christian. And the subject of the matter is whether the bible condones slavery. It does. In both the old and new testaments.

@@ConsciousExpression Heh, fair point the fools known as Christians did adopt that abominable religion. But the fact is the old testament was created by the Jewish religion (often referred to as the Torah). Now is it not odd that the the majority of the comment section of this video and other videos criticizing the bible (and rightfully so) focus on the Christians, who merely adopted the Torah. And VERY rarely ever direct that criticism at the group that created the damn thing in the first place!? AM I REALLY THE ONLY ONE THAT THINKS THAT'S ODD?

​@@ConsciousExpression And yes bringing up the fact that the old testament originates from the Jewish religion does matter because (as the video explains) the old testament only condones slavery of none-Jews! Which in my opinion is a far more pertinent and interesting subject in the old testament. Don't you think that's interesting? ^_^

@@ConsciousExpression What you and others that like you are doing is focusing on the simple minded gullible imbeciles that join a cult and completely ignore the originators of the cult and pretend they are of no consequence!

this is why, even though I'm not christian, I try to keep up on relevant bible verses so I can shove it in their faces when they say it isn't there... they still try not to look though...

I just say to myself that the bible was written by a bunch of different people and translated from mulltiple ancient languages to the language we read it in now, Hell, Moses even got HORNS when the bible was translated into latin.

coolmzn226 Moses was totally brutal dude

hydroids The Islamic Koran says worse regarding slavery. And Muslim Arabs were taking black people from Africa as slaves long time before the Atlantic Slave Trade.

It's called cognitive dissonance.

No they won't because evolution doesn't work backwards.

RVapes Actua;lly evolution works in anyways if need be. Its not a line leading to the "most evolved organism." its more of a web, where creatures can die out due to natural selection, and come back much later.

T SexyRexy -- What creatures have ever come back from extinction?

T SexyRexy They will probably all die before they finish writing it, though. The bible is proof that God exists.

All the bible is, is a compilation of a bunch of letters sent to churches and written by saints, high priests and other high ranking religious officials. All the bible is proof of is that a bunch of people took the time to write a bunch of fantastical stories and try to persuade a bunch of easily manipulated idiots into believing them.

Ok but videos like this are poorly researched: here is my take on OT slavery: I'm a bible teacher and scholar. The first mistake people make is to think words don't change meaning with the centuries.. They do. E.g, the word "ass" appears in the bible 80 times , today it's associated with pornography and rap music. How about "gay"? this used to mean a "merry /happy" person. The word "faggot" was a stick of wood ....so is slavery the same now that it was then?? let's see. Slavery to us is some african-slave deep-south plantation-type slavery...but was the old testament slavery the same? Deep South slavery had some special attributes like for example: 1. slaves were bought to people that bought them from other people that had captured them against their will in villages in Africa, no one volunteered to get on those ships heading to America. 2. They became property of the masters for LIFE or until sold again. They had NO RIGHTS WHATSOEVER , the master could execute his slave by hanging or whatever for any reason at any time with no consequences. 3. They weren't paid wages or nothing of value was owned or exchanged in between the slave and master. They were true slaves. Now let's explore the slavery in the old testament: First of all , there was zero research done here as it's typical of Non-stamp collector , let me point that out , NONE. Here it is: "slavery" In the OT was nothing more than working for a master to pay a debt , it was voluntary (unless it was payback for theft or another crime) and in all instances beneficial to the "slave" . This was akin to a live-in-the-house housemaid with the exception being that she actually OWED money so she had to work and pay and COULDN'T LEAVE unless he/she paid the debt , plus he/she had to relinquish some basic rights while under a master. They could be sold to others for the original debt, then she/he OWED the new master and the same rules applied. Slaves could be inherited to sons as well if the father/master died , after all they represented a DEBT and the debt had to be paid no matter if the original master wasn't any longer alive. Let's not forget that some of the slaves were THIEVES OR CRIMINALS , if you stole something of great value , sold it to someone , then got turned in by two or more witnesses , you had to pay it back , get punished by jail , beating or execution or the next option was to pay with labor , ENTER SLAVERY: Criminals were obviously not going to cooperate by working willingly or they slacked off whenever they could , so they had to be sometimes kept in line by flogging or other measures in order to make them fulfill their side of the agreement. So by this we can deduct it was clear slaves had a debt to pay and some were criminals , nevertheless God commanded for them to be released on the 7th year but many had the OPTION (IT WASN'T FORCED) to stay for life , given that often the masters gave them wives and they had children with them. Many "slaves" loved their masters and chose to stay for life voluntarily: Now let's be honest here , does this look like deep south USA style slavery?? not at all , here are some verses that prove slavery back then wasn't forced, notice the all caps : " Every seventh year each of you must free any fellow Hebrews who have SOLD THEMSELVES to you. After they have served you six years, you must let them go free." Jeremiah 34:14 "they retain the right of redemption after they have SOLD THEMSELVES . One of their relatives may redeem them:" Leviticus 25:48 ‘If a foreigner residing among you becomes rich and any of your fellow Israelites become poor and SELL THEMSELVES to the foreigner or to a member of the foreigner’s clan" Leviticus 25:47 MOREOVER , THIS WASN'T AN ISRAELITE PRACTICE ONLY , OTHER NATIONS DID IT AS WELL , HERE WE SEE EGYPTIANS PLEADING TO BE BOUGHT BECAUSE THEY WERE STARVING TO DEATH: here is the account of the famine: "There was no food, however, in the whole region because the famine was severe; both Egypt and Canaan wasted away because of the famine. 14Joseph collected all the money that was to be found in Egypt and Canaan in payment for the grain they were buying, and he brought it to Pharaoh’s palace. 15When the money of the people of Egypt and Canaan was gone, all Egypt came to Joseph and said, “Give us food. Why should we die before your eyes? Our money is all gone.” HERE THEY ARE CLEARLY SHOWN BEGGING TO BE BOUGHT FOR FOOD: "Why should we perish before your eyes-we and our land as well? BUY US and our land in exchange for food, and we with our land will be in bondage to Pharaoh. Give us seed so that we may live and not die, and that the land may not become desolate.” Genesis 47:19 Here are some additional points to consider: a. ) . WERE SLAVES JUST CAPTURED AND MADE WORK FOR FREE?? LET'S SEE: "“If you buy a Hebrew servant, he is to serve you for six years. But in the seventh year, he shall go free, without paying anything" Exodus 21:1 THE "SLAVE" PAYING ANYTHING? SEEMS LIKE THE "SLAVE" HAD A DEBT TO PAY AND SOLD HIMSELF FOR THE DEBT MAYBE? OF COURSE ... another verse says that if a woman is bought as a slave (again because she OWED SOMETHING) the man has to marry her or his son , if he does not like her after buying her , he must FREE HER and she would "PAY NOTHING" because he's 'humiliated her" whatever that means , probably by sleeping with her, notice that it clearly says she doesn't have to pay anything which would be ridiculous if the slavery was forced. b) WERE ISRAELITES ALLOWED TO CAPTURE PEOPLE AND SELL THEM AS SLAVES OR BUY CAPTURED PEOPLE (AFRICAN SLAVE STYLE )? NOPE, WHOEVER DID IT THE PENALTY WAS PRETTY HARSH , READ THIS: “Whoever steals a man and sells him, and anyone found sin possession of him, shall be put to death" Exodus 21: c) WERE FEMALE SLAVES GIVEN SPECIAL TREATMENT? YUP THEY WERE ...THEY COULDN'T BE SOLD FOR THE DEBT THEY OWED TO SOMEONE ELSE ..A.K.A. "PASSED AROUND" AND COUDN'T BE SEXUALLY EXPLOITED, THE MASTER HAD TO MARRY HER OR GIVE HER IN MARRIAGE TO HIS SON. IF HE DIDN'T LIKE HER AS A WIFE SHE WAS TO GO FREE, "without paying anything" , THIS MEANS HER PART OF THE DEBT HAD BEEN CANCELLED AND SHE WAS FREE TO GO. d) Lastly DOES GOD CONDONE SLAVERY, THE REAL TYPE OF SLAVERY (AFRICAN DEEP SOUTH PLANTATION TYPE) ?? ABSOLUTELY NOT HERE IS A VERSE FROM THE NT " the sexually immoral, men who practice homosexuality, ENSLAVERS , liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine" 1 Timothy 1:10

Well, you can BEQUEATH them and beat them though. And the rules sharply distinguished between non Hebrews and Hebrews...

@@chrissonofpear1384 Chris ...a slave always had a debt to pay , ALWAYS ...this means they could not go free until the debt was paid or six years had gone by . Let's say the master dies , then you would be passed along to his son or you could be SOLD TO OTHERS FOR THE DEBT ...this is like mortgage loans that can be sold to others ...regardless of what financier you ended up with , YOU STILL HAVE TO PAY THE DEBT PERIOD. Your rights as a free man were relinquished until your debt was paid off or you were released. Moreover you should also know that slavery was also the result of theft and other crimes, for example a man that stole let's say a few cattle then sold the cattle or ate all of them then got snitched upon by two or more witnesses was OBLIGED BY JEWISH LAW to pay the debt with slavery. You were essentially a thief, working against your will for the man you stole from...There is a plethora of things that could go wrong with this scenario for example you could refuse to work ...then you'd be flogged or beaten (that's why there were limits established to prevent abuse) let's say you wanted to go free so you staged to stab your master or managed to stab him , then got caught ...your master could hurt you without any repercussions as long as you weren't killed. He had the right to get his value back that was stolen and you had no rights until the debt was paid. This also deterred theft. The difference of rules for Jews and Gentiles is another thing that needs explaining. Let me just tell you that Jews managed property and inheritance a lot different than the surrounding nations. A Jew could be redeemed at any time whereas a gentile had to work the six years. This was because Jews had strict rules for (for example) raising children for your dead brother with his wife so that his seed wasn't lost, and also ALL PROPERTY HAD TO GO BACK TO THE ORIGINAL OWNER AFTER 50 YEARS WHICH WAS CALLED THE JUBILEE YEAR. This was to prevent the super rich from owning everything including the majority of slaves. This is a long subject brother Chris you need to study Jewish traditions. Peace

@Dave - seriously dude- stop trying to tap dance around this issue. I think it's sick this kind of shit was drilled in my head as a child and it took me forever to finally figure it out for myself that the Bible is one fucked up book.

@@AutotuneSucksBalls u realise u said nothing about selling a man into slavery that had been defeated in war or has been forced

If you are in debt...have a car payment or credit card etc...you are a possession of the creditor. It’s a legal term...has a legal definition. Look it up. Whatever is stipulated within the contract, is the degree of control the creditor has over you. Choose to borrow from the mob...they own your ass quite seriously in THEIR rules and contract. Borrow from chase bank...not so much. But a legally binding contract...is still legal possession as it says. Read and learn something dude.

@@9432515 The bible allows you to own and beat slaves as long as they don't die within a couple of days. Learn where the fictional Abrahamic god originated from. The Israelite religion evolved out of the Canaanite religion. Yahweh was some minor deity from the southern Levant who over time took on the imagery and attributes of the older mythical Canaanite deities El and Baal. He only became the one "true" god when some Yahweh only Israelites pushed that agenda. Jews and Arabs Descended from Canaanites - Biblical Archaeology Society www.biblicalarchaeology.org/daily/ancient-cultures/ancient-near-eastern-world/jews-and-arabs-descended-from-canaanites/ Dr Christine Hayes who lectures on the Hebrew Bible at Yale University outlines this in lecture 7 from 30 min onwards. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/nsWFoNh2p9O3ZZ8.html Also, inscriptions were found in the form of blessings, referencing Yahweh and his Asherah. Asherah was originally the wife of the Canaanite deity El, so the merging of Yahweh with El is obvious. www.seeker.com/amphtml/gods-wife-edited-out-of-the-bible-almost-1766083399.html You can also watch Pagan Origins of Judaism that outlines this as well. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/kKtzmN1-vtvLaJc.html Also watch Atheism: A History of God (A) by a former Christian. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/g9KeobqT0LPQkps.html

@hunting atheists 1. If you are in debt to someone, you are their DEBTOR, not possession. 2. Contract terms stipulate the obligations between the parties. Terms that conflict with the law are not legally valid, whether they have been signed or not. 3. Being someone's creditor does not give you 'control' over their person. Thus, your analogy is a terrible one, but one I would expect from someone lacking critical thinking skills.

@@ajstevens1652 Ah I see. You’re a lazy shit that didn’t look up the definition of possession. It’s all that I said and much more accurate to what the Bible describes. Legal definition is DEGREE of control. It’s legally binding til paid off. In short, a creditor is someone who lends money while a debtor is someone who owes money to a creditor. ... Had you read the Bible you hate so much... You’d have noticed it’s ALL about that debt getting paid off. In the Old Testament God buys the slave..to then turn loose, Deut 29.10-15. That’s exactly what the New Testament fulfills when Christ (God) paid the price for all in bondage...DEBT bondage.. and set them free, physically and spiritually. Multiple examples of servants being freed after their debt paid off. The Jubilee is nothing more than debt cancellation. What more do you need?? Look..I’ll make easy for you. It’s the difference between the words possession and ownership. Can you figure that out? Do some research. You need it. Ever hear of the phrase ‘possession is nine tenths of the law?” That’s talking about that difference, spelling it out for you actually. And the Bible says possession. It’s exactly as the Israelites were commanded to go on and possess the land. They didn’t own it. Follow? There’s a difference. Possession is degree of control. Slavery is full control. That was prohibited, Ex21.16

who cares about the "debtor" definition? They were called "slaves", not debters in the Bible. And the word "slaves" literally is a double standard in the Bible - means 2 different things (Israelites = debtors / Foreigners = property), but uses the same word. That's a substitution of concepts. (Slaves from Israel = debtors. Slaves from foreing countries = slaves. Hence, I will be a sneaky snitch and replace: slaves from foreign countries = debtors. No one will surely notice!). Cause you really, REALLY wish those enslaved foreigners were debtors, just like their Israel equivalent. But. They. Weren't.

Wow good arguments! I read all those passages and maybe you may want to look at the context for them. I know I know... Somehow asking for context is a crime when you're an atheist. (Not referring to you, there's a video of his called context where he makes fun of christians who ask for context when an atheist reads a scriptures in a way that's misleading). Seriously, though! I don't want to assume anything, but these arguments are tired and old. They have long since been debunked and I can guide you through the process holding your hand or you can do a quick Google search of all the times the Bible mentions slavery... The choice is yours, really! Although, again not trying to assume, I figured you have already read the passages I refer to and have skimmed passed them for sake of a hatred of christians and God. I understand that. You're hate could rightfully be placed there, but it's just not a sound argument you're making here, I don't care who you are. So here's some context. Read Exodus 21 16, Deuteronomy 23 15, Ephesians 6 9, Leviticus 25 26-end of chapter, the parable of the Good Samaritan, and those are off the top of my head. You get the point, there's just so much good stuff refuting the idea of a pro slavery God. Also, while we're on the subject you should know definitions. When it talked about servants in the Bible it refers to payed workers, mostly Israelites. When it talks about slaves it refers to individuals from other nations that had a serious debt that they could not pay and willfully offered there life as a slave. Slaves were not to be mistreated include permanent damage and threats. The were not to be kidnapped into slavery Exodus 21 16. They were to be released every 15 years on the Jubilee. When the Bible talked about slaves, they were not the same as Israelite servants. I hope this helps you!

@@iactuallydontknowwhatimtal4569 No it's not debunked at all. Show me where it says "paid workers" when in the "context" of slaves. The fact is that in the quoted Leviticus 25:44 slavery is specifically defined. 1. You can buy slaves 2. You can own them as property (#1 & #2 are all you need for actual slavery. To own a person as property is in fact slavery) 3. You can pass them down to your children 4. You can own them forever No it's not debunked at all. And of course there are more passages that define and condone slavery. The bible never condemns slavery. This is a huge moral flaw in the bible. The fact that I could write a better bible...writing everything in it only omitting the slavery passages and actually condemning slavery...is proof that the bible is not inspired by a god. If it was then I couldn't improve it. Of course there is much more...like this god commanding the slaughter of babies and children as well.

@@iactuallydontknowwhatimtal4569 then surely everyone who's not an Israelite could be subjected to slavery. Even if you believe whole heartedly you will never be the chosen people that the Bible specifically mentions. The Bible isn't yours or for you. None of it, at all. But that's just my take

@@lawrenceeason8007 Oh, you asked a good question! BUT it is indeed already debunked... Everywhere it takes about slaves, it doesn't refer to the Jews. The Israelites were never called slaves in any passages about what the Jews should do with their slaves. Also, you can't own them forever, read on. It's clearly states that slaves are to be released on the Jubilee Sorry to say, your arguments are really just futile, for they are built on morality. You have no real standard for objective morality as an atheist. Your beliefs in moral relativism make atheism the morally regressive of the two. Anyway, I hope that answer makes sense to you!

@@kizzyisdead5545 Well, there's the other thing... These laws are not the same anymore, for we have the new covenant with God. He has written on your heart, what is good and what is bad. We are all now the chosen people of God according to his new covenant!

Pony

Funny seeing you here, on a 9 year old comment when last place I saw you was on an Uberboyo video 2-3 months ago.

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+Stuart Shepherd you are so clueless

Gerald Bennett I spent more than 60 years studying the Bible. I know. Do you get it? Or are you just brainwashed?

Have Christians noticed that Ben Carson is a seventh day Adventist? Carson's beliefs are at odds with traditional Christian beliefs.

+Stuart Shepherd We notice. But is any president going to represent anyone's beliefs to the T? No. a lot of Christiasn would not vote for Romney because he was Mormon. Some won't vote for a Catholic or an evangelical. So we can either pick a person we think best represents the American spirit or abstain from voting. Given those two choices, I will go with the former. Not that I have made up my mind about who I am voting for with so many choices but no one could say Carson isn't one of the most kind people on Earth because that guy is almost TOO nice. I know quite a bit about what the 7th day Adventists believe since they put out thousands of videos on KZfaq plus I recently read a book by some 7th day Adventist-I forgot the name, but I wouldn't say I'm an expert, but I don't find them at odds with the Bible as much as some evangelicals. If going by his fruit, I'd say Carson is doing a lot better than most people who claim to be Christians. Sometimes I read what other people who claim to be "Christians" write in these comment sections and I actually take the time to apologize for the belligerence and disrespect. That is something you'd never have to do for Carson.

mismindles Have you noticed Carson has said some strange things recently?

U serious? I'd love to hear more but replies get totally lost. Msg me on Twitter? @nonstampnsc

NonStampCollector I sent you a dm!

OK but choose a better excuse this ain't it : Please read all the following: There are FOUR types of slavery mentioned in the bible...most videos that criticize Christianity, even apologist videos fail to address up to three of those. Addressing all of them is vital in order to understand biblical slavery. Now before addressing all this , let's establish right off the bat what slavery means. Slavery means to grab someone by force and sell such person to a stranger or a group that trades such people with NO BENEFIT TO THE SLAVE WHATSOEVER and a profit for the kidnapper. This is our typical deep south, American African plantation type slavery. This type of slavery (we'll call it type C) is CLEARLY FORBIDDEN IN THE BIBLE, under the death penalty www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy%2024%3A7&version=NIV Also here: www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus+21%3A16&version=NIV These are the types of slavery: Type A: This is not necessarily slavery but voluntary servitude ..there is no kidnapping involved , a person that found himself/herself in hardships such as a famine or a great need without being able to cover it (such as a debt to a third party) had the option of seeking for a potential "master" that could cover the debt , then the person would become the temporary property of the "master" , this was done to guarantee the investment ..remember that the master sometimes had to pay up the wages of the slave UP FRONT to a family member or debtor. This practice was widely employed in ancient times here is proof that people sometimes sold themselves: www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis%2047%3A19&version=NIV Here it shows people selling themselves: biblehub.com/leviticus/25-47.htm This verse proves there was money paid upfront to the "slave" not his kidnapper, there was no kidnapping involved.. this money could be repaid to the master and the slave went free, this is called to "redeem" the slave, I'm gonna have to use the original Hebrew text because the translation has some changes that are erroneous, Hebrew is read backwards: biblehub.com/interlinear/leviticus/25-51.htm Type B slavery: This is also called CRIMINAL SLAVERY: This was reserved for criminals more precisely THIEVES. If you stole a bunch of cattle , sold it and then drank or gambled the money away and you got caught , you could be SOLD FOR YOUR THEFT as shown here: biblehub.com/exodus/22-3.htm Please be aware that CRIMINALS are not usually in the business of cooperating while being forced to work to pay restitution so they had to be kept on line by a little bit of flogging or harsh means depending on who bought these slaves, what was being bought was the DEBT the slave had...for example a guy owes 50 cattle ..he gets caught , a slave trader or someone willing to take the risk buys the slave for the price of 25 cattle, the "master" has made a profit and the original owner of the cattle gets at least half of what was stolen from him back. Here is the verse that allows this type of servitude in the bible: biblehub.com/exodus/22-3.htm Levitical Law protected even these criminal slaves from being beaten to death...they could be forced to work but could not be killed in the process. 4. The fourth type of servitude is ENTIRELY SPIRITUAL so I reserve that one for believers , I can elaborate further if needed just make the request. There is a lot of proof in the bible that servitude was voluntary or a result of owing money to someone and being unable to repay , here is an example I remember right out of my head: "The wife of a man from the company of the prophets cried out to Elisha, "Your servant my husband is dead, and you know that he revered the LORD. But now his creditor is coming to take my two boys as his slaves." 2 Kings 4:1 THIS PROVES THAT THE PERSON WASN'T JUST TAKEN TO SELL HIM OR SHE IN ORDER TO PROFIT FROM IT , THE SERVANT HAD ACQUIRED A DEBT THAT HAD TO BE PAID...THE ONLY THING THAT GUARANTEED DEBTS BACK THEN WAS A PERSONS BODY IF THAT WAS HIS ONLY POSSESSION. There is much more to this but I already went too long let me know if you have questions. Thanks for reading, please don't drink the kool-aid , these videos are very misleading and short in information. God bless and happy new Year

+GOD Some?

Deathbyblackhole I should correct that to most. I have encountered intelligent, none preachy christians believe it or not.

GOD Yeah, but even they give me a headache.

Deathbyblackhole then you're intolerant. You can't group an entire population together because some or even most of them are bad. Thats close minded and unfair.

+GOD Would you like me to enslave him, my Lord?

You can still be a Christian and recognize that the Bible contains terrible things. You don't need to equate God with a book.

@@lauterunvollkommenheit4344 We also don't have to equate god with any particular religion, although if it's comforting and you can do it honestly, sure. I think it's tough to deny or be appalled by the text a religion is based on, and still be in that religion.

​@@sundayoliver3147 I suppose it depends on the person how they deal with such things.

​@@lauterunvollkommenheit4344honestly it depends on the flexibility of your mental gym and your willingness to delude yourself. Truth is often painful. Ignorance is bliss.

@@lauterunvollkommenheit4344 Yeah. People are very good with turning a blind eye to the horrendous pain caused by certain institutions if they find benefit in it in the end.

The tricky part is to make the emancipation viral. Once the slaves convert to Judaism, they are free. Then they might buy slaves, who convert, and are freed. This is how the end of slavery happened historically, before the modern era.

Ah! A loophole.

Adicawida Suparman Yes.

or as a punishment for a crime (like in the U.S where the justice system arrests a shit ton of minorities who also happen to be the same people who were slaves in the past, for drug charges for having a certain kind of naturally occurring plant on them, or having cocaine that was planted by the military in poor areas of cities to start a crack epidemic to have an excuse to beat and arrest them repeatedly, and throwing them in prison for 20 years to life, and then working them without pay and technically making them slaves while also profiting off of their misery with for-profit prison systems) another loophole

@Kevin Cobb but slavery is okay.

samsonlovesyou The only reason Christians believe what the Holy Bible says is because it says it is trustworthy, and predicted that there will be atheists - because who wouldn't expect ridiculous claims to be challenged?

@@elephystry it predicted the fall of Tyre- Tyre still there

It is literally stated as the word of God probably about 100+ times.... if the Bible is not the word of God, what is?

The proof is in the pudding. "Inerrant" HAS TO mean complete consistency internally and with reality in all particulars.

+Tre G. Wait, are you saying that the Bible's claim that it's the word of god is proof that it's the word of god?

what's wrong with slavery anyway?

Really? Why?

Well actually kidnapping slaves is bad in the Bible so technically he’s want black slaves free

@@purple9030 Nonsense

@@purple9030 Kidnapping slaves is bad? How else do you get slaves without kidnapping them? OK, you buy them. From someone who kidnapped them. Sorry to tell ya, take your comment and shove it where it came from: back to where the sun don't shine.

That’s actually because there are no gods taking care of anyone, so is not because you’re black

Stop seeking outside approval.

If you're a Christian, just keep reading the Bible and don't just gloss over it - understand what it actually says - you'll at least change religions at the end. Basically, all the Abrahamic religions are the same though.

fuzzywzhe So far I've read every word of the first 8 books of the Bible and I'm still a Christian.

Scott Calo Hmm, then maybe you've gone insane. You certainly don't have any sort of moral principles I would be comfortable with. What kind of monster would venerate and worship a psychopathic lunatic? Well - you. I can forgive ignorant Christians, I don't generally have a problem with them, but people like you... You're morally bankrupt and as a result scary, dangerous.

fuzzywzhe First let me say: There are good reasons for everything God does. The laws he gave in the Old Testament he had good reason to give, and the actions he took he had good reason to take. God knows all of these reasons, the Jews in the Old Testament knew some of them, but now it's a couple thousand years later, in a completely different culture, different language, and imperfect knowledge of ancient history, and many of the reasons have been forgotten. Here's my own personal idea: We know that no slaves, foreign or Jewish, were to be mistreated. They were to be well cared for and protected in exchange for their work. So this form of servitude was a way for foreigners to become part of Jewish culture. They would be taken in by someone who was born and lived their whole lives in Jewish culture, who knew the customs and how to deal with other people there, and they would be assured of employment, food, shelter, etc. for life. Of course, this is just an idea; I don't know for sure why God does what he does. But if you think I'm morally bankrupt, let me ask you this: What is good without God? I'm not asking what keeps you from raping/murdering all you want, I'm sure you already do, and that amount is none. I'm asking, What i good without God? How can someone know what the best way to live their lives is? I believe good things are things that reflect God's character. Having justice is good; telling the truth is good; worshiping God is good. (Yes, God does all of these things.) So why do you believe things are good?

I am not going to guess your gender but will address your sensitivity. I simply stated who I was with no guile whatsoever toward Atheists. I actually thank them for their assistance in me shedding my belief in this book and a hearty thanks at that. If you read all my posts that would be easily felt. I now have hope for all souls to continue on though I could simply be wrong. Everyone has their own truth and I now accept that and think it's great. God in my opinion also gave us a mind to use it. I am joyed that so many have including you without even knowing what your belief system is being if you have one. Take care and the best to you and yours over the holidays. Peace friend.

Excellent point

You're probably right. I wonder if any have ever been made.

@@NonStampCollector I'm pretty sure some wise *ss wil do one, one day! ;)

genocidal land grabbing ingroup boosting fabrication the entire lot of it including the morality bits.

@Anon Ymous god: store brought slaves are fine but free range slaves are not allowed.

@Anon Ymous the Gentiles in the verse you quoted sold themselves into indentured servitude. This isn’t like America where you bought someone who was forced to be a slave.

​@@chapter404th *Oh really 😜 OK let's look at several verses were "god" does just that, starting with this little beauty* *Direct instructions from your "god" for the Israelites to attack cities and if the people surrender take them as slaves* *If they don't, then just kill all the men and share the women and kids out* ( *the bible calls them "plunder"* ) *that you may use* 🤢🤮🤮🤮👇👇👇👇👇👇 *Deuteronomy 20 : 10* 10 _"When you march up to attack a city, make its people an offer of peace 11 If they accept and open their gates,_ *all the people in it shall be subject to forced labor and shall work for you* 12 _If they refuse to make peace and they engage you in battle, lay siege to that city. 13 When the Lord your God delivers it into your hand_ *put to the sword all the men* _in it_ 14 *As for the women, the children, the livestock and everything else in the city, you may take these as plunder for yourselves* _And you may use the_ *plunder* _the Lord your God gives you from your enemies"_

there is not the slightest chance any self contradictory entity exists. So be sure not to worry.

Thank you for sharing internet stranger. I do appreciate it.

Oof

Me neither. This video turned me into an atheist almost 4 years ago. For real.

@@ERosa1991 Wow, powerful stuff! Took a lot longer than one video for me, though. Maybe I should have watched this one first! Haha.

A fool says in their heart there is no God. If this trash video turns you into an atheist you have bigger issues to work out.

@@chrisgagnon5768 What a stupid quote. 😂

Since few of them have bothered reading a book they think God wrote before talking about it, it would be foolish of us to expect them to watch a video made by a regular person before talking about it.

@@scotte4765 it would simply be too much work for them, they think it’s best to assume the contents Rather ironic that history repeats itself in this way but they have no self awareness so they don’t know any better

Thinking about the oddity of these verses having a place in the NT really begs this question. Did the writers of these books really think that slavery would continue and remain through future generations especially in christianity? At least humanity has one victory. The verses keep in line with the whole mantra, obey, fear, shamed, disrespectful, and the best ones regarding severe and light punishment as if they differ somehow. Only light for one not knowing what they did wrong. Sounds great. Take care everyone. Have a great thankgiving and you too NSC. Thanks

belaireguy411 Like Christian think for future generations. Christians think that Jesus will come now any day and the Armageddon and the rapture will come. In a study of 2010 about 1/3 of US people think that Jesus will come in their lifetime*. 1/5 think it's probably. Do you expect them to think about major issues like environment or dept or what future generations will do and how they will judge them? Humanity will only win if that number will drop significantly; if the believe in resurrection and virgin births is on the same level as believing in astrology and palm reading. * www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/01/christ-second-coming-survey_n_2993218.html

belair: there realy was no Christianity YET in the new testament. They were all still Jews and Jesus himself was a jew. He didn't worship himself--but worshipped god, as did all jews. Christianity came much later, being finalized more or less for the first time in about 345 AD (CE?) by the Emperor Constantine in Istanbul when he called the Council of Niacea to order and they all voted and codified it. Of course, the invitees took months to get there, and were informed thei either voted the way Constantine wanted, or they'd be killed--if they agreed with I'm they would have a nice feast and a good visit. Hmmm. Guess what they did.

belaireguy411 And the new testament tells us to love our ennemy. The statment about slavery does not justify slavery, it tells us not to rebel with violence.

Λογος yes it does Dumbass if someone is a slave and you tell them not to rebel you are justifying slavery. the most moral thing you can tell someone who is a slave is to get out. is to leave. is to disobey. is to make yourself free by any means necessary and the fact that it says to obey your masters rather than bluntly just stating do not own slaves. which as you can see in the second Bible quote The original commentor gave above as you can clearly see “even if your master is a Christian” showing that Christians can have slaves rather than following that sentence up with saying if a Christian owns you he is not a true Christian for owning slaves is wrong instead it says to obey him further every single piece of context in both the old and New Testament or by themselves alone every bit of it screams the absolute justification through the word of God of slavery. the fact that your God does not have in the Bible anywhere Thal shall not own slaves and you have to make convoluted stretches of logic like because it says love your enemy therefore slavery is not OK which is complete bullshit and makes absolutely no sense since loving your enemy has Absolutely nothing to do with whether or not slavery is OK it’s a broad definition that in certain cases I would argue is Immoral to follow at times. this is why nobody would ever blame somebody for killing someone else in self-defense And the fact you can’t see that the Fact that nowhere in the Bible does it blatantly say slavery is not OK in anyway shape or form shows you in and of it’s self that the Bible Endorses slavery or that you’re god is so mentally fucking retarded even if he does exist that he’s too fucking stupid to just put that in there. thal shall not own another human being as property very simple.

gspendlove also because god projects hus word through the book.. so it's not like theres a choice of if the book is wrong so is god argu ment

You must not buy and sell people LOL 😂😂😂😂 smh. God is not real....lol, c'mon smart people....

Same with athiests. What is funny is athiests criticism of Jewish relience on Foriegn work but they treat their Foriegn workers much worse.

@@animax2422 I like how that is completely off topic.

@@animax2422 yes. If you ever shopped at amazon, walmart, ebay, h&m, Nike, Apple, Android, Starbucks or owned a computer or ate rice you treated Foreign workers worse. Remember in bibical law. Foriegn workers have to be extended the right to convert to that nation, and have their debt forgiven if they do. Do you extended freedom to enslaved children or workers from Foriegn nations for your iphone? No. Can a citizen of the US or UK accumulated more than 7 years of debt? Is it forgiven after then? No. Much worse.

Well said.

Hey, Joshua. I hate to break it to you; but the correct grammar would be "you're right", not "your right". "You're" is a contraction of the words "you" and "are", combined into "you're". The word "your" shows possession; as in "your grammar skills suck." So, since you possess such poor grammar skills, does that mean God *really doesn't exist? Bless "your" heart.

Dave Sipsy grammar is no indication towards the existence of a deity. Some people just aren’t great at spelling, can’t blame ‘em for it. Just correct them and then provide an argument. Cheers!

@@triehe -- actually the lack of grammatical skills points to how it is necessary to be somewhat addled to hold a religious belief.

Translation: "in over a decade" = "in over 2000 years"

@@zer0s0und thats true, i didnt even think about that 😅

Easily refuted ------ did atheists have slaves?? cuzza the bible????

@@zer0s0und Like what, there was no slavery before the bible? Funny, there's slavery today on atheist run China.

​@@jennifersmith4864 genuine question, then what's the point of the bible? Don't you guys claim that it is the moral compass or is it only a tool for the higher ups to use in times they feel threatened

Maybe that's why they villainized such a character lmao

@@SevenPr1me I love your profile photo ❤️ Based

Yeah, he is the one who encourages slavery and makes you commit sins, God is the Almighty, All just and All truthful.

@@The_muslim_maurauder except for when He isnt

@@SevenPr1me but he is tho, he is, He's always just.

it is like that