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“find a man that will train you” i would rather be lost in yosemite with no supplies

"biologically wired" bro im biologically wired to think a pile of clothes on my computer chair is a monster in the dark so what

Someone mentioned that tradwives are just cosplaying housewifery. If they were true housewives, they wouldn't have time to put on a face full of makeup, pick out a stylish apron & dress and film themselves ESPECIALLY if their husbands help them with nothing.

For me who comes from a country that is rated number 3 on fermicide and domestic violence, i would like to say that these people are simply too ignorant. I was surrounded by domestic violence growing up. My dad , uncles, granddad and neighbours did it. "She was burned alive by her husband" , "Her husband murdered her and their children" , " They were walking on the street when a man approached them to ask one of them out and when she refused, he shot them both". That is the daily news report in my country. Growing up in such an environment has influenced my decision to remain unmarried. I know they are good men out there but you have to understand that I'm kinda traumatized from dealing with this every single day. So maybe these kind of traditional life these people are talking about is the American kind because the one from my country results in either scars or a coffin.

Theoretically, if a husband tells his tradwife to become a feminist, wouldn't she have to?

Folks forget that middle class housewives and upper class women used to just, er... widow themselves. Especially those with abusive spouses. Legal recourse was slim to none for victims of abusive spouses. Divorce, and feminism, saved plenty of men from a lovingly prepared final meal.

As I explained to my daughters. If you want to be a housewife, fine. That's between you and your husband. But, to be a housewife, you depend on your partner to bring in the money. If something happens to them, you need to be able to support yourself and your children. He could die, he could become disabled, he could simply walk out one day, no matter how good a man you thought he was. He may turn out to be abusive and if you need to leave, you need to be able to support yourself. And you should be paid as much as a man for the same work. That's only fair. He should be paid as much as you for the same work.

If tradwives want more women to choose to stay home, they should support policies like a generous welfare state and strong unions, because those were the conditions that existed in the 50's that even made it possible for so many women to not work

"Find a man that will train you" ...I am.. *truly* disgusted... Find a man that doesn't treat you like a puppy. You are a grown adult, if you feel like you need to be 'trained', consult with a therapist if changing your behaviour is the goal...

*It is not freedom to choose your cage, it is the unwillingness to break out of it.*

as someone who comes from a country where the patriarchy runs very deep and will be the first woman in her lineage who gets to decide whether to get married and who to do it with, as well as whether to have kids and will have the financial power to divorce if needed... i cannot explain the generational trauma that has been carried by the women in my family. all of the women in my family were unwilling "tradwives" and their lives were worse for it. my grandma told me every day how much she hated her life after being forced into submission by her husband (forced her to quit her job, moved her away from her family, left her miserable). you are not "stepping into your feminine energy", you are actively erasing progress because you are too scared to think for yourself and take control of your life. and the lingering impact this has on future generations is awful. i can't believe women are out here advocating for this.

As a lesbian, I don’t understand these women. How can you hate women and yourself that much. Heterosexuality is wild

The child-hating narrative is so frustrating to me as a teacher, because I put my whole heart and soul into guiding and supporting the children that I teach. Just because I don’t want children of my own doesn’t mean that I don’t love and care for them. We all can do that in different ways.

"Non-Virgin women" cause all of the world's problems, yet being childless is apparently also a massive problem. Not everyone can be the Virgin Mary, ladies.

The shitting on feminism is a slap in the face to the feminists who made sure SAHMs got alimony and child support to protect them from destitution. Benefits which are supposed to make the position much more enticing by adding extra security.

"We tradwives have been advocating for women to have their rights taken away, and now men are treating us as second-class citizens! How could this happen?" 😭 Girl, what do you think a second-class citizen is???

theres a very simple breakdown for housewife vs. tradwife: a housewife wants her daughters to be happy, a tradwife wants her daughters to be tradwives

Promoting the TradWife lifestyle is paradoxical. The TradWife purports to stay at home, raise the children, while the husband works. But these influencers who promote the TradWife lifestyle are working, often times quite hard. These women are essentially media companies; they film, edit, post, comment, and maintain engagement. In fact, women-of-color have often had to work outside their homes, in the homes of white women.

Alot of that is just classism. It's basically "women that have no money to bribe/sue their way to safety and comfort deserve abuse", most, or all, of these influencers have money and don't really depend on their husbands.

The whole “woman wants career more than baby” thing that misogynist women love to say is so funny to me, bc I don’t have to center either of those things if I don’t want to. Yeah, I gotta have a job to pay the bills, and maybe one day I’ll have a family if I want to, but I don’t have to design my personality around either of those things lmao

"I SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO BE A STAY-AT-HOME MOM WITHOUT FEELING SHAMED" Yes, sweetie. That's one of the main tenets of feminism - freedom of choice. 🙃

So women have to be mothers cause thats what biologically they were made to... I dont remember men being biologically made to have jobs.

Were biologically designed to poo on the floor. Why aren’t we all pooing on the floor???

We need to teach feminist history in schools. The only way to combat ignorance is to educate it away

It must be exhausting to be a self-hating tradwife. It's certainly tiring to listen to them.

If tradwives just wanted to keep to themselves with their lifestyle, id have no problem with them. They'd still weird me out, but not disgust me so viscerally. But because theyre pushing it on their daughters and to young women online, i feel it is our duty to clown on them every chance we get, the same way i would to military recruiters at the mall

"Leopards like eating faces. They don't care whose face" FACTS

Not all women are cut out to be a traditional wife. Thankfully today women have a choice.

It always amazes when I hear of women pushing for what is essentially their own subjugation. They want to push women into a life of servitude and abuse, taking whatever their husband gives them, because 'god' said so. Our grandmothers fought to vote and open bank accounts in their names, because they were so vulnerable and at the mercy of their husbands. And these women want to go back to that same vulnerability. Unreal.

“They need to find a man that’s misogynistic” 😦…What’s the point of loving a man who hates you and what would even motivate you to search for that ? Edit: Yes, i do understand the fact that it stems from internalized self hatred, but it also doesn’t seem like that’s the whole picture. I was mostly surprised by tradwives so blatantly projecting that onto others, but I guess making them see themselves as lesser would make them more interested in the “traditional life” that they promote. I know that it’s obvious, It’s just interesting to me how far someone would go for traditional gender roles. I tend to simplify misogyny into hate because it often is portrayed in that way, but in this case it’s more of a “find a man who hates woman who aren’t this and that so you can be that for him” I guess? It’s hard for me to word. 😅 I made this comment not long after the video came out so this was just my initial shock at the intro, and i wasn’t really focused on fully interpreting that until I watched the whole video, but thanks for the replies with your opinions!

My younger sister is a Lesbian with an unemployed girlfriend and when I told her I think it's not a healthy dynamic for her to be paying for everything, she told me I was just being critical of her "traditional relationship". 😂 I'm 100% sure they got this idea of a "traditional relationship" from the internet.

it’s so frustrating how tradwives openly advocate for strictly enforced gender roles and submission to men, but when they’re criticized they roll back their argument to “women should be allowed to want to be housewives and mothers!”, which is way more easy to defend and agree with. you get tricked into arguing about the most basic premise of choice feminism, while their influence grows into something much darker and more oppressive.

Caring and domestic work IS work, and it needs more recognition and respect. What does NOT need to be respected is the reinforcement of arbitrary and absurd gender roles that see women's value only as baby makers and men's only value as money-makers.

A lot of these “Christian” wives are not living fully biblically. It’s very clear in the Bible that it’s is equal treatment for husband and wife.

Overall really loved the video and all the points you made. As a bit of an amateur history nerd, though, I'd like to offer one little nitpick - 'traditional roles' for women where they only worked in the home was typically a luxury only reserved for middle to high-class (usually white if you're talking about American/European) women. Working class women, including white women, rarely had the luxury of staying at home to take care of the kids and the house - older children were expected to look after the younger ones while their mothers worked. They worked in shops, in factories, or on farms doing agricultural work for harvest, shearing, plowing, weaving, brewing, and so on in addition to the domestic tasks they were also expected to handle. From what I've read, the phrase 'a woman's work is never done' is very apt for most women through history, because while the man could work a full day, then expect to come home and put his feet up by the fire, a woman seldom had that luxury - she was working a full day, AND then occupying every spare moment she had with childcare, cleaning, mending and so on. Basically, the 'traditional housewife' of the 50's is a middle class white woman's fantasy. It was never the reality for most people.

Honestly, I feel like the only appeal to be a tradwife is that its a kink. I don't think they realize its a kink of course, but as a person who likes to play on the submissive side during intimate situations, this is how I see it. Only they dont' know how kinks and consent work, so they think if they want a dominant partner some of the time, then they need to accept a dominant partner ALL of the time. That is the only way I can see how a person would actually ENJOY this kind of life.

This is why I’ll always think that someone who says feminism isn’t needed just outed themselves as misogynistic. Feminism will always be necessary, no matter what.

I told my boyfriend once that I was sexually frustrated and he apologized to me for "neglecting my needs" and "being a bad boyfriend", because his mental health is poor and he's rarely in the mood. I had to be like, "_No_ honey. I am not entitled to your body. You are not neglecting me. You don't owe me sex. I'm just pent up; it's a me problem. I just like complaining." As a demisexual, I never thought I'd be on this side of that conversation, but it makes sense. Men are affected by all this too.

This whole thing reminds me (brittish) of an article i read from a Conservative/Tory woman who was scornfull of feminism untill she attended a women and mental health seminar- and learned about post partum depression. See, she had become severely low, flat, and anhedonic after her pregnacy and birth of her child, and had never even been told that post partum depression was a thing- so she was walking about with severe untreated depression, feeling guilty and 'broken' because she wasnt experiencing motherhood with joy like shed been taught was 'normal'. In the artical she said that hearing about post-partum depression for the first time, realising it was common, treatable, and NOT a moral defect made her cry. It also made her realise that she needed to re-think her position on feminism because 'if it could happen with this, what else could be being ignored'. This woman was a white middle-upper class journalist, and its striking to me that it took it happening too her- in a way she recognised as harmful- for her to rethink her position. Idk it just strikes me that these women have the privalage to not only be sheilded from some of the nastiest consequences of their beliefs, but also the privalage to alienate and ignore those who are hurt. Deem them 'inferior' women. Unless it happens to them of course. But of course RECOGNISING it has happened to you- identifying an injustice as what it is can also be hugely difficult. How was that lady to know that proper mental health care had been withheld from her when the framing she had to use to make sense of it was one of moral failure and shame? How can you advocate for your rights if the knowledge you need to idenify them is withheld from you? And thats before we even get into the emotional trauma of recognising abuse/oppression as abuse. The realisation itself- that the people who aught to care about you dont, and are in fact willing to accept your being hurt as part of normal life if it benifits them- is a really fucking painful realisation. Its not uncommon for people being abused (or witnessing abuse) to reframe it in a way that makes it 'ok' for the mistreatment to have happened- because that preserves the sense of a safe 'positive' community to be part of. We're social animals, we survive as a group, so to realise that that group doesnt have your best interests at heart is devestaiting in its own right. I think thats probably part of the appeal for these trad wives- to see what tgey do as wrong would require not just re-assessing themselves but the people around them too. The people theyre hurting (especially their daughters) by spreading this rhetoric- but also tge ways they may have bern hurt or constrained by the ideology- the interests theyve given up, the needs theyve ignored, the insults theyve taken, the lack of boundries/safety/choice (especially regards to sex). Sadly, far right movements are also (unsuprisingly) a hot bed of domestic violence too- like, obviously abusers occur accross all parts of the polictical spectrum, but the far right especially fosters and attitude of entitlement and control regarding womens bodies and time. Its almost a perfect environment in which to abuse someone and get away with it. So theres likely litteral domestic violence in the mix for some of these women too. Just. This mix of privalage and precarity, proclaiming safety while putting yourself and others in danger.....its car crash awful to watch, but deeply facinating too. And i deeply love your speech at the end that they should try seeking safety elsewhere. Its such a kind, and genuinely helpfull thing to say in the face of some people who spout truly disgusting views on the regular. Bravo!❤

18:40 feminist woman here. I'm a house spouse and I want to have kids. And the way they talk about babies instead of kids freaks me out. They don't stay babies. Eventually they start being their own people.

A master teacher once told me that “submission is cute when you’re in a position to opt out. That for a majority this is low key a game… a kink and nothing more”. A lot of these women don’t know what real subjugation is. I’ve spoken to a lot of older women that was young in 50s/60s. They expressed such envy for the young women of today. The options we have that they didn’t. I’ve heard nightmarish stories of abuse to the “I simply wish that I could have had my own money and a life outside my husband and kids”. I get wanting a certain life set up but these trad wives talk this sh*t but have laws on the books that will somewhat protect them whereas women of the past didn’t. Smh. It’s different to “trad wife” with no safety net and nothing in your favor.

I wonder, do tradwives expect tradhusbands? Because it's funny to see men who play video games in their mother's basement want tradwives.

What's hilarious is that historically housewives have done unbelievable amounts of backbreaking labour. Even just laundry pre-washing machines was a grueling ordeal that took multiple days. This magical relaxed housewife fantasy is just that, a fantasy.

"You need to find a man who will train you" is a big turn around from my incredibly christian, conservative grandmother who would preach to her women's group about "how important it was for the wife to train the husband".

Not so fun fact - that whole “pain in childbirth” thing from Genesis was still used in some Catholic hospitals in North America into the 2000s to deny women in labour epidurals or other pain relief. It may still be happening - I only know it was occurring when my peers and I were having our babies.

The I Do=Consent argument would quickly be thrown out of the window if the woman wanted to peg these men but obviously these rules only really go one way.

My heart especially goes out to the daughters with tradwife moms, especially with the one post with a tradwife bragging about teaching her young daughter that her purpose is to serve her future husband and she should depend on a man. Doesn't sound like much energy is going into her self-worth or self-esteem, especially if the only path laid before her is that of a tradwife in training.

My aunt is a tradwife. She’s now in her 60s and very insecure about her body weight to the point she will starve herself, extremely lonely because her kids and grandkids are grown and not around much, has literally nothing to do because she’s exhausted her hobbies, and slowly going into dementia. Yea she lives in a half million dollar home, but she doesn’t seem happy.

The statement "we r biologically hardwired to have kids so not wanting kids is weird" really sounds like saying that im weird for not wanting to be depressed because im biologically hardwired to have depression😅

I used to have a friend who would say she was antifeminism, would post things with "hashtag never a feminist" but she went to university, had jobs, rented her own apartment, dated multiple men, and when she got married and it went bad, she got divorced. I think I tried to point out that the way she lived her life wouldn't be possible without the work of feminist activists, but she wasn't interested in listening. Her anti-feminist stance was definitely connected to the very conservative religious culture that she was brought up in, and she would go in and out of practicing her faith with conservative-leaning communities that were pretty controlling, being too independent for them quash, leaving for a while, then going back. We eventually fell out over her anti-vax stance regarding the COVID vaccine and haven't spoken in several years, but last I heard, she'd partnered up with a guy who definitely had some misogynistic leanings and seemed thrilled to be with him.

What I resent, as a woman, is that women are discussed in such reductive ways, as though we were a hive mind whose collective agency is subject to public referendum. Why does society assert a prerogative to talk about women, and not men, that way? Another thing is that if any concept touted as "the natural order" is violable, is possible to conceive of being disobeyed, then it's not the "natural order."

I gasped during the intro. GASPED. I guess I'm not on this corner of the Internet... but goddamn these tradwives are scary 😨

As a feminist, I want all women (all people of all types, really) to have the freedom to decide for themselves how they want to live their lives. The problem I have with tradwives is not in the lifestyle they advertise but in the fact that they would choose their way of life and then turn around and try to deny all other women that same right to choose.

This intro is wild 😭 “Non-virgin women cause all problem in the world” this can’t be serious

As an ex-believer I must say: where religion comes into play, there’s no choice. Please hear me. There’s no choice if you choose between pleasing your god or being thrown into the fiery pit forever.

The core concept of feminism is that man and women should have equal rights and should not be seen as better or worse than one another. What upsets me the most is that this sentiment is controversial; it seems like it should be basic common sense. It's simply sad that the concept of equality is one of, if not the most, debated about topic. -A queer teen girl

I'm a man who doesn't want kids. I'm dating a woman who doesn't want kids. I do most of the chores around the house due to some of her health issues. I don't mind this at all and like being able to do it for her. Instead of being mad at the fact that we won't conform to their ideology, why aren't they happy that we aren't having kids and furthering our "lib" agenda?

“Find a man that will train you” THE FUCK ARE WE DOGS NOW?

This is anecdotal data, so take it as you will, but the whole "Tradwife" thing was only applicable to post-war white women. I can say this having two grandmas in the 1960s of different ethnicites. My paternal grandmother was a homemaker, making the meals, cleaning the suburban house, relying mostly on paychecks from my grandpa's great paying blue-collar job as the foreman of a steelmill. That grandma is Swiss-Irish from Ohio. My other grandma had to raise 6 kids, clean the house, make the meals, and still had to work an actual job until my grandpa gambled away her bank account (since that was allowed) then had to get another job before legally filing for divorce. That grandma was Mexican from San Diego. And that grandma *hated* June Cleaver due to how unrealistic her portrayal was considering how she was in a cocktail dress, full face of makeup, and pearls to clean the house.

I have to directly state this: Actually feminism is the only -ism that wants to abolish itself. Because if sexism, ableism… were„destroyed“ it would be unnecessary. Feminism (as I unterstand it - intersectional) is not a hobby. I would happily stop being the annoying feminist if the other, harmful -isms as well as trans - and homophobia suddenly vanish.

As a hetero cis man. I truly think that Feminism has really helped me find a emotionally filling romantic relationship. Thanks for expanding my mind in regards to feminism

Weird that, when pressed, the tradwives insist they're only trying to "pursue their individual lifestyle preferences," but get them within 300 feet of a legislative building, and suddenly it's, "We need to forbid anyone from living a lifestyle contrary to the tradwife model."

Reminds me of this woman flexing how her husband was horribly misogynistic- how he thought women weren't people and didn't have personalities comparable to men and boasting about how she was the exception. She was happy that he didn't see her like how he saw other women and saying she just had a personality unlike other women. How much brainwashing must you take to believe that people of a certain gender do not have the emotional and mental capacity that is comparable to the other gender. People want to be special so bad they put themselves through this bs.

It's sick and twisted that in literally almost 2024 in my home country, Italy, society has been moving backwards. Women (and other minorities) are more and more oppressed, and a few days ago a lady senator said on TV that girls' goal in life should be to become mothers. She said something along the lines of "yeah sure, you can have other goals too, but getting married and being a mother is something you would want to do at 18 years old. Let's teach our daughters the importance of being a mother and let's make it a trend". It feels like they want us to be incubators for the homeland. I wouldn't be surprised if they made it mandatory to procreate. This is all kinds of fucked up and society is doomed.

“Fat, defiant, can’t cook, won’t clean” is my new motto, i’m making that a t shirt

Unwanted sex with your partner is S.A. You have a choice to say "no" or "I'm not in the mood" or etc and they have a choice to respect your words. Marital S.A. is usually no violent. It is submitting to keep the peace.

random fun fact: Mary Woolstoncraft's daughter was Mary Shelly who wrote Frakinstein.

The counter argument segment also reminds me of the victim-blaming of bi women who were/are in abusive relationships with men, and are deemed less queer for being with a man in the first place :/ So much for solidarity...

The patriarchy is a hell of a drug.

I find these big tradwife influencers to be so disingenious. They go on and on about how women should not work and instead be financially dependant on a man to provide for them, but are they not social media influencers who earn money from their posts as well?

“I never thought the leopards would eat MY face!” - Person Who Voted for the Leopards Eating Peoples’ Faces Party

Been a housewife since I was 21, at first because I was caring for my husband after a plant accident, then because we had children, when the oldest started school if I had put the other two in daycare I wouldn't have made enough money to justify day care fees, a second vehicle, etc. And then my grandmother was diagnosed with Alzheimer's, and then and then and then.. It's not always a choice, sometimes it just happens. Now my youngest is looking for work, and I have 26 years of almost no job history and I will be starting with the same kinds o jobs my son will. Not all of this is always choice, and some choices still aren't.

There isn't nothing wrong being a housewife, but there is with being a tradwife. Those women give me the creeps

Hearing the phrase "I was such a Jezebel" made me lose 20 psychic hitpoints

"Young women need to find a man who's very misogynistic." Girl what-- ☠💀💀

raised by a feminist single mother who raised me to be independent and self-sufficient. i’m no contact with her for reasons that i’m not sharing on the internet. but I’ve been a feminist for most of my life because of her. after having my daughter, i stopped working and became her full-time caretaker. my mother was floored and pushed me to think about work two months after childbirth, and didn’t seem to understand that i was content with being a caretaker. i understand that she was anxious about my dependency on my husband, but we have a healthy, loving relationship, and he values what I do. we both have something wonderful to offer to our family and we’re content. but my mother was so shocked by my decision that she withdrew her offer to give us her house when she moved out of state because she thought I was lazy and unmotivated. we currently live in an apartment with our daughter and my mother took away housing because she didn’t understand my decision to stop working. feminism has granted me the choice to be a caretaker and I have the privilege to do so with love. I’m so lucky that it wasn’t forced on me and that it brings me joy.

It is really sad to see those tradwifes whom advertising serving others as a true women behaviour whereas me being a person who live in Türkiye and have a lot of neighbours who have no chance other than serving their husband and his whole family of 10. People should stop demonitizing feminisim and give the opportunity to the women who dont have their autonomous :(

I find it to be interesting that some of these Tradwives think that Feminism is the reason why women started working so much. It's not. It's the economies fold. The economy demands invention and growing productivity. This means women starting to work full-time was inevitable. Before we wasted an entire field which had to be balanced out. It did, that's all

as an insecure person it’s very easy to understand why some women seem to go out their way to subjugate themselves- it feels validating when you don’t love yourself when other people treat you as less than- n i think that’s the root of the issue

my mother was a housewife for a large part of my childhood. she was DEFINITELY not a tradwife. I hate how the two are conflated. it's completely fine for either a father or a mother to decide they want to stay at home for child care. it is NOT fine to insult everyone who doesn't want the same thing.

doesn’t really sound like a choice when autonomy is stealthily omitted in favor of biology and expectation

I am a christian woman, and I constantly feel out of place and seen down upon, because me and my husband don’t want kids

As I hear your video I can't stop thinking about my grandma and my mom. My mom always has these passive/aggressive comments about me being a feminist, while she never declares herself as such, but she was the one who always said to me to never be economically dependent of anyone's. Her mom was the one who taught her that. My grandma had studied and got jobs, but she couldn't keep them because my grandpa job forced them to move and she had to follow him, I think she resent that, so she taught my mom to be independent even if she married.

I’ll never forget a tiktok I saw where the creator said if women submitting to men is a biological reality then why are women having to go around convincing others to do it. If it’s innate then we should just be doing it, right?

Because it's "less complicated" to never criticise the husband in the moment and avoid causing small arguments (about what the housewife is allowed to say and do), it'll build up over time and cause more issues in the future when you realise your own husband never truly respected you as a person.

What happens when tradwife is dumped for a younger or more “tame” tradwife and is left with a dozen kids and no visible means of support. Pretty sure this happens as men have pretty much had their cake and ate it too !

The older i get the less i understand people want everybody to fit a very specific mold. Some people want kids, some don’t, etc. in my mind the more choices people have in general the better we will all be.

People forget that only middle and upper class “trad Wives “ still worked especially if they were immigrants or P.O.C . Grandmother was a Christian housewife and she still had two jobs outside of the home .

The difference between a stay at home mom and a Tradewife is that a stay at home mom enjoy her personal choice but a tradewife believes all women should live their way of living it’s proselytizing

The fact that jesus respected and even told a working woman to take a break and sit down from her work while he was sharing the word so she can join in is often times moments that these trad wives overlook, ontop of that jesus would probably hate the modern day christian 😭😂

It always drives me wild how much people will try to say that feminism hates housewives/stay-at-home moms. While there are self-righteous feminists who will put housewives down, if you actually read the literature there is so much work dedicated to discussing the problems and interests of housewives, especially second wave feminism

If trad wives want to be trad wives then thats fine. Why are they pushing it on other women?

When I was in high school( Christian school btw) my principal once said that women need to be like crowns on their husbands heads.She didn’t explain what that meant so we all kinda just went like “ok?”. A decade later I get it now: Women should be pretty pieces of jewelry that should only be showed off when their husbands feel like taking them out and wearing them around other people. Just pretty to look at,silent,and an accessory for a man.

As someone who grew up mormon, the "choice" to not be a stay-at-home-mom is one of turning against what your church leaders are saying, and thus going against God. I thought I was so rebellious for being a feminist, and being interested in STEM. So many women I knew would choose majors/careers like teacher, or human development based on "this is a good job to have once I have kids". However, men choosing their jobs based on "this is a good job to have once I have kids" is about providing financially for a family, so they become a dentist or an engineer. This is anecdotal evidence but I definitely think gender roles are just a given for a lot of fundie thinking.

I personally don't entirely "hate" children. I hate the parents for thinking their kids can't learn that not everyone likes to hear screaming or likes to be touched and grabbed at. I adore my nephew because even at only 2, he asked for a hug, I said no, and he accepted it and ran to ask and hug others. Even still, I only ever want to adopt a kid who was abused to give that kid a proper and not abusive home. I just can't deal physically with babies, due to my autism and being touched usually feels like I'm being hit due to trauma and overstimuli

THANK YOU for acknowledging disabled people when addressing the "what if your husband leaves you?!" argument. i'm disabled and dependent on my partner and that one always makes me feel like shit. like i'm being regressive because i can't be the Strong and Independent Career-Driven Woman i'm supposed to be, and it would be my fault if said partner decided to leave me in a ditch lmao. a lot of feminism really is only focused on abled white women (although i should note i don't identify as a woman- but i'm AFAB and a lot of people would still see me that way, so i'm still sort of tied up in it)

Personally, one of the most important aspects of my feminism is unironically, think of the children. Tradwives on tiktok are not making their choice in a vacuum. They're promoting it to girls and young women who don't understand that being dependent on a man makes it harder for a woman to leave an abusive relationship. I feel this way about other things, like cosmetic surgery. Your body, your choice but normalising it on social media means kids are going to grow up with unhealthy ideas about their bodies. Feminism shouldn't be about the individual, it should be about the collective, about what we owe to each other, especially what we owe to kids, what kind of world we want the next generation of girls to grow up in

I like this title because it can be interpreted in two ways: 1. Choosing to be oppressed 2. Somehow feeling "oppressed" by the ability to choose

Have any of these people read/watched The Handmaid’s Tale? That’s where tradwives will end up, and not even the men are happy.