The Complete Evergreen Story (15)*

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Benjamin A Boyce

Benjamin A Boyce

4 жыл бұрын

*(some assembly required)
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The distilled, definitive summary of my work on The Evergreen State College in Olympia, WA.
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@BenjaminABoyce
@BenjaminABoyce 4 жыл бұрын
There were two points I wanted to address in the above video: how her art mirrors her life, and how both her life and her art are the result of her ideology of power. Taking someone's art out of context in order to prove any point isn't something I'm totally comfortable with. It's rather disrespectful. And due to the nature of her art (which I believe is technically defined as "challenging"), using snippets of it here and there is almost assuredly going to be interpreted as me making fun of her and her work. It's almost as if the nature of "challenging" conceptual work is to be indistinguishable from parody, once it's taken out of its institutionalized (read: sacred) context. In this way, "challenging" conceptual art and "postmodern" social justice share the same rapid deterioration of value when they are subjected to hard critique. Had Naima, for example, created something with the quality of an Adele track, then when I dubbed it into the context of her ideas and behaviors-how would the emotional value of those scenes changed? Furthermore: can these Critical Theory ideas that Naima espouses be held by someone who is pursuing the beautiful? Does Critical Theory not end up undermining the ability to work toward an aesthetic height? How is someone who claims victimhood able to suspend their victimhood for long enough to gain the skills to transcend it? It is all too easy to mock Naima. And by mockery dismiss the power of her ideas. These ideas are powerful. They are incredible contagious. They are ultimately corrosive to the cultures and social fabrics that they come into contact with. But still-I took her work out of context, and it should be seen on its own. Thus this link: www.naimalowe.net
@MoonBurn13
@MoonBurn13 4 жыл бұрын
Benjamin A Boyce Thanks so much for this Benjamin. I too look forward to your installments in this series. My only criticism would be that, while the format of corresponding Naima’s Interrogation Art to wytes (sic) to Evergreen realities was interesting, I didn’t see a good match up from her items to the sequences following.
@kayde801
@kayde801 4 жыл бұрын
I've watched each installment of this series as soon as I've noticed it's been dropped, and I look forward to it. There was something about this installment to me that affected me in an odd way. I don't know if it was the song at the end that contrasted so loudly with Naima in general or what, I'm still working it out in my mind, trying to understand. The best I can come up with is Naimas humanity which is not something that I've seen openly displayed to this point. I dont even know if humanity is the right descriptor... I feel like I recognized for a moment something as a woman in her or something and I felt almost sorry?? I guess it was for her. Truth and Beauty as you put it are unattainable for all with a spectrum of humans from the closest to the farthest. She seems like someone who finds herself frustratingly, even maddeningly far from those impossible ideals that has become angry and bitter and wants to rip apart the fabric of the society that these ideals exist in. It makes her seem pitiful and sad or something. I posted a comment about how the end with the comment about beauty and truth, and how it actually made me get emotional. I had tears welling up in my eyes. I myself disagree with the comment above me, I feel like the art was a showcase of her and her struggle with self acceptance which very well may be the driving force of these efforts to rip the culture to shreds. I think all of her fight is just her fighting herself and her trying to reject her own feelings about herself and where she falls on that spectrum of 'truth and beauty' ... I think for her, if she can destroy 'white america' then she will also be destroying the standards that she can't live up to or something. That is just my own take, I could just as easily be completely off, lol. But I love your work. It is amazing to me.
@AuroraAlchemy
@AuroraAlchemy 4 жыл бұрын
Kay De You’re not the only one. I cried at the end. It was beautiful, which I guess was the point. It was such a huge contrast from the previous 30+ minutes that I think it hit me harder than if I had just stumbled upon that performance.
@robmorgan1214
@robmorgan1214 4 жыл бұрын
Ben I appreciate how respectful you're trying to be here. However, it's long past time people stand up and say the emperor is naked. Whether your left leaning right leaning or shaking your head in the center, the standards of society have been eroded particularly in academia. People graduate high school without knowing where Canada is. People graduate college without knowing that the derivative of a log(x) is 1/x. People get doctorates of philosophy and know a lot about very small regions of their discipline. If you don't know basic calculus and have a college degree you have been given a participation trophy because you're scientifically and mathematically illiterate. If you have a college degree and don't know how America has wielded her power in the 20th century you are historically illiterate. If you don't know how/why the financial crisis happened you're economically illiterate. To contribute to the academy in any manner at all you can't be illiterate in ANY core discipline. This is as true for artists as it is for physicists, English professors and historians. The only partially literate member of the faculty I've seen is Brett. He is also the product of a broken system and as a scholar, even he seriously needs some remedial education. People don't have to know things any more. Because of this fact they don't posses the most critical element of reason: assumption grounded in facts.
@kayde801
@kayde801 4 жыл бұрын
@@AuroraAlchemy yes, EXACTLY. It created this striking contrast. Like I said, i think Benjamin's insertion of her art really illuminated the internal struggle that Niema is going through. She has chosen to externalize the fight. Instead of obsessing on changing herself she wants to change culture itself. Even if she somehow achieved her goals, she would find that her brave new world would just re order and produce similar perceptions. It is human nature and is immutable. She is fighting a guaranteed losing battle. I feel like most women can identify with her frustration, but not with her solution for it.. she has become toxic to herself and to everyone that she interacts with, and by proxy to many she hasn't.
@bennieblanks5129
@bennieblanks5129 4 жыл бұрын
"If you don't find me attractive or think my writing sucks this is a reflection on your racism rather than my physical appearance or writing ability."
@BenjaminABoyce
@BenjaminABoyce 4 жыл бұрын
Dude buy my book before coming down so hard on me. bit.ly/AnwasBook
@Simboiss
@Simboiss 4 жыл бұрын
He was playing along the joke.
@guthrie1181
@guthrie1181 4 жыл бұрын
no privacy Yes, you’re missing something.
@dede4004
@dede4004 4 жыл бұрын
That statement Naima made is horrid, offensive, and wrong.
@pointcuration1278
@pointcuration1278 4 жыл бұрын
@@BenjaminABoyce one page in, so far so good
@cinemar
@cinemar 4 жыл бұрын
I'm sorry Benjamin but I can't take anymore of this community love.
@unique11124
@unique11124 4 жыл бұрын
I was sitting there, eating my sweet kale salad. Naima's foot appeared on my monitor...and stayed there. FML.
@AspiringSpaceWizard
@AspiringSpaceWizard 4 жыл бұрын
Mike O that was her foot 🤮 😳?!?!
@ThirstyEye
@ThirstyEye 4 жыл бұрын
Agreed. I'm glad Benjamin is continuing, but starting to feel like I'm stuffing my head into a garbage disposal. Shall still check in, but I'm too old for this shit. Life is short.
@zxyatiywariii8
@zxyatiywariii8 4 жыл бұрын
That _"community love"_ thing is so reminiscent of communism, it sets my teeth on edge. It's anything BUT love.
@msabigailflurm1163
@msabigailflurm1163 4 жыл бұрын
24 of these is way too many. I gave up a while back. I check in now and then also, but value my mental health too much to subject myself to 24 of these
@darthmom1019
@darthmom1019 4 жыл бұрын
I was outside on my back porch when I started watching the video. When Naima Lowe (or whoever it was)started singing, my neighbors german shepherd started howling. True story! 😅🐕😱
@icemachine79
@icemachine79 4 жыл бұрын
4:49 The tuba music from Family Guy would be perfect right there.
@eurekahope5310
@eurekahope5310 4 жыл бұрын
No kidding! She actually WOKE my baby! Some people are so self unaware...
@zxyatiywariii8
@zxyatiywariii8 4 жыл бұрын
Well, I can always trust dogs to know whether or not I should trust any given person. 😁 This dog is wise to Naima's personality. Cool -- I listen to these videos on our back porch too! Small world.
@e99fuy0ng
@e99fuy0ng 4 жыл бұрын
Your dog is obviously racist and needs implicit bias training
@Yaxpacpa
@Yaxpacpa 4 жыл бұрын
I'm not even a German Shepard and I also started howling.
@toweypat
@toweypat 4 жыл бұрын
Naima Lowe: "I am writing this with a heavy heart..." Bite your tongue, Patrick. Bite your tongue.
@mrs.darthvader3179
@mrs.darthvader3179 4 жыл бұрын
🤣🤣
@mattanderson6672
@mattanderson6672 3 жыл бұрын
She's ALL heavy, just say it.
@rossberger295
@rossberger295 3 жыл бұрын
Not a heavy dog
@derekfish7768
@derekfish7768 4 жыл бұрын
This is all I listen to anymore. I work at a job where I can listen to whatever I want for 8 hours. I feel at this point I am an accredited expert of the incidence of Evergreen State College protest
@macdietz
@macdietz 4 жыл бұрын
Hahaha ive had the same thought
@xx294
@xx294 4 жыл бұрын
Ok, whats your diagnostic? ☺️
@unique11124
@unique11124 4 жыл бұрын
@@macdietz We got sucked in. It's fascinating, and troublesome. Listening to WA state lawmakers discuss removing the influence of "whiteness" in their policies was an eye opener.
@bdk336
@bdk336 4 жыл бұрын
For your own mental health please add some fun, carefree content into your viewing schedule.
@casey98
@casey98 4 жыл бұрын
same here ! I can tell the entire evergreen story thanks to Benjamin
@montycantsin8861
@montycantsin8861 4 жыл бұрын
That choral peice was like a glass of cool water after a spoon of bitter, pointless medicine.
@JesusIsKingAndSavior
@JesusIsKingAndSavior 4 жыл бұрын
Think of it as an inoculation against the circular illogic.
@montycantsin8861
@montycantsin8861 4 жыл бұрын
@@JesusIsKingAndSavior yeah, I don't need that. I was a teen in the eighties during the satanic panic.
@JesusIsKingAndSavior
@JesusIsKingAndSavior 4 жыл бұрын
@@montycantsin8861 Is't it "funny" how people get caught in forms (not you) and can't see things for what they are. I was a little boy during the panic and didn't catch it - was it really as bonkers as sj?
@montycantsin8861
@montycantsin8861 4 жыл бұрын
@@JesusIsKingAndSavior Kinda.... hard to say. I was into D&D, (long winters in the midwest), and friends of mine were metalheads and punks, so it seemed like it was everywhere. It was a total moral panic, and it probably ruined some peoples lives. This panic today seems worse, because it's not religious exactly, and it's spread via the internet, which is in almost everybody's pocket now, and they also make it really personal. Maybe it's worse , because everybody has to figure out what side they're on. I think it's useless drama, mostly.
@insanityizgood
@insanityizgood 8 ай бұрын
It honestly brought tears to my eyes. Absolutely beautiful.
@Lizardo451
@Lizardo451 4 жыл бұрын
Naima Lowe seems to be the source of most of the problem. She's not looking for solutions, she just wants turmoil. And she's really poisoning these students.
@artis1969
@artis1969 Жыл бұрын
Agreed, but no one on her side is looking for solutions. It seems it's meant to be that way. No tangible goals, other than free meals or free credit on assignments. No tangible structure of meaning or definition of terms. The more vague and unreachable, the better. It gives the professional protester carte blanche, because it's 100% disingenuous and intellectually dishonest. They can call out ignorance or lack of awareness while never actually defining goals or the meaning of all the buzzwords. "The right is attacking CRT and they can't even define it." The one time they want you to speak is when you display subservience. Otherwise, stfu. Quite odd considering it's the very core of their stated oppression.
@r.williamcomm7693
@r.williamcomm7693 Жыл бұрын
This is the same thing that’s happening to corporations.
@r.williamcomm7693
@r.williamcomm7693 Жыл бұрын
Also I agree that Naima Lowe seemed to be the source. She also refused to act professionally instead acting more like a juvenile than a professor.
@evanmcdonnal
@evanmcdonnal 4 жыл бұрын
The amount of times I've heard these pampered children claim to be "putting their bodies on the line" is so disgusting... They talk like their fighting in Vietnam when in fact they're sitting on their asses getting preferential treatment at every turn and earning a degree without having to actually provide any objective proof of mastery. It seems like they're butthurt because their verbal feedback didn't say they're the smartest, greatest, best student ever. I'd be shocked if they've even studied with one professor that I'd describe as a 'hard ass'. Like the kinda guy who teaches a challenging class in math, science, or engineering where more than half the students fail and there's no subjective basis on which they're being graded. No leniency on their test scores or completion of work.
@dbsf2429
@dbsf2429 4 жыл бұрын
Naima had more power over people as a college professor than I've ever had over anyone in my life.
@Fee_V
@Fee_V 4 жыл бұрын
Absolutely! Well said. I don’t even have that kinda power over my kids...they wouldn’t put up with it. And...I’m really glad about that.
@biry0501
@biry0501 11 ай бұрын
Exactly. That’s where even the internal logic falls apart.
@SharonPerp
@SharonPerp 4 жыл бұрын
This stuff is amazing. I hope one day you'll do a "Where are they now?" series!
@derekfish7768
@derekfish7768 4 жыл бұрын
I talk about being white with my friends. I'm so glad that were white, guys, let's go play tennis
@ricodelavega4511
@ricodelavega4511 4 жыл бұрын
or golf
@jaydee6414
@jaydee6414 4 жыл бұрын
...then retire to the smoking lounge for brandy & cigars.
@zxyatiywariii8
@zxyatiywariii8 4 жыл бұрын
😄🤣😂
@toweypat
@toweypat 4 жыл бұрын
Wow, I thought I was the only one! "Hey, my white friends, want to go whitely see a movie then get some white dinner?"
@yowut8075
@yowut8075 4 жыл бұрын
Don't forget to talk whiteness
@erinlikesacornishpasty4703
@erinlikesacornishpasty4703 4 жыл бұрын
Also, every time I hear that godsforsaken "community love" chant I cringe so *hard* . It sounds so horrifyingly cultish! Its downright nauseating 😖🤢🤮.
@snusnumcgee9843
@snusnumcgee9843 4 жыл бұрын
God that finger snapping instantly makes me tense
@dede4004
@dede4004 4 жыл бұрын
Same here. It's like being in a Beatnik club, back in the early 60s, that I've seen when studying different musical stylings.
@MsJazbren
@MsJazbren 4 жыл бұрын
It's the perfect signal that you're on board with this shit. No one gets triggered when everyone cheers and claps because someone said, 'Fuck the police.' And so they know the 'fingers clickers are on our 'side'. And everyone who refuses to, gets the idea that they're surrounded by finger clickers.
@MsJazbren
@MsJazbren 4 жыл бұрын
I mean, look at when finger clicking is used and when claps are used, and what prompts either response.
@snusnumcgee9843
@snusnumcgee9843 4 жыл бұрын
dede4004 if only it was as quaint as harkening back to the Beats in some smoke filled club playing free jazz in Soho in the 50s. No this is much more ominous than that. Not only does it not have any musicality to it, it’s a sign that shutting down creativity and free expression is coming
@dede4004
@dede4004 4 жыл бұрын
True. Good point.
@gritcitykitty6723
@gritcitykitty6723 4 жыл бұрын
I don’t like how she’s stressing out her poor little dog, at that one point. Selfish B!
@kimberlyroberts1387
@kimberlyroberts1387 4 жыл бұрын
Brett Weinstein comes off so well in these videos. He seems really thoughtful, really committed to getting things right. He seems to have a balance between striving to get change and striving to get truth.
@katedunning9467
@katedunning9467 4 жыл бұрын
That ending though. 🙌. Needed that beauty....fed my soul
@rraefyn
@rraefyn 4 жыл бұрын
Just an observation. It appears that Naimas "growth" acceleration seems to have coincided with the expansion of her self importance and her paycheck. The fortress was indeed fortified by the time the battle was waging. All I see is an emotionally disturbed, insecure woman desperate for validation. Why she is determined to die on her daddys hill is a mystery but one thing's for sure.... she didn't inherit any musical talent. yeesh.
@andrewdevine3920
@andrewdevine3920 4 жыл бұрын
'We've been sitting on our asses for 40 years, and this is the result'. They should use that clip to encourage people to exercise.
@davedoe6445
@davedoe6445 4 жыл бұрын
maybe she's projecting her own lack of exercise on others...
@robertlombardo8437
@robertlombardo8437 4 жыл бұрын
She shouted herself into a living meme.
@sugaree71
@sugaree71 4 жыл бұрын
And it is untrue. Civil rights advocacy did not just stop with judicial and legislative victories of the 1960s and 70s. It just assumed different forms. What I’ve witnessed in re Evergreen, larger culture = regression for all.
@fp9596
@fp9596 4 жыл бұрын
I wish this series would never end. I’m so messed up
@pointcuration1278
@pointcuration1278 4 жыл бұрын
Nobody likes a train wreck but it's difficult to look away.
@MsJazbren
@MsJazbren 4 жыл бұрын
Not just me? Oh good.
@oliveeisner8964
@oliveeisner8964 4 жыл бұрын
Same here. Your comment made me giggle and cry 😭 inside simultaneously.
@valuablesandwich
@valuablesandwich 4 жыл бұрын
My problem right now is trying to resist the urge to share all of this with literally everyone I've ever met
@delicatessen5670
@delicatessen5670 4 жыл бұрын
You can hear the immaturity and desperate need for validation/attention in the tone of their voice.
@xx294
@xx294 4 жыл бұрын
You can see the desperate need for filming lessons.
@toweypat
@toweypat 4 жыл бұрын
You really can? Hear someone's immaturity? By the way they talk?
@xx294
@xx294 4 жыл бұрын
@@toweypat Tone, constantly requiring validation ("right"?), vocal fry, poor vocabulary, overuse of complicated words to sound more intelligent when she truly has no idea what they mean and end up revealing her insecurity.
@valuablesandwich
@valuablesandwich 4 жыл бұрын
They sound like TV/movies to me. Just parroting all the TV they grew up on.
@LongformJaunt
@LongformJaunt 4 жыл бұрын
It’s so hard to fathom that Naima is a professor, not a student. Plus, if she hates Evergreen so much ...she can always find another college to work at... If any other college would hire her. This series is so fascinating.
@lex61519
@lex61519 3 жыл бұрын
Wait! She's a professor???
@dorkusamericanus
@dorkusamericanus 4 жыл бұрын
I see a lot of people saying that the black students probably took down the posters. And that’s possible. But it’s also possible that the few non-indoctrinated students at the school saw how toxic those posters were and took them down, not out of malice but out of pure concern for the future of the community. Those posters weren’t fostering kindness and love. They were toxic
@dandobrowolski5818
@dandobrowolski5818 4 жыл бұрын
This was the best one so far...very nicely done. The choir at the end was a nice touch.
@bhc1892
@bhc1892 4 жыл бұрын
First I was like, "oh shit she tried to make a choir, cringe incoming"... "ok not too bad"... "wait she had nothing to do with this"... "wow this is great never knew I liked choir music". Well done Ben.
@pcwebbjr
@pcwebbjr 4 жыл бұрын
I'm not sure I have the mental fortitude to continue watching this series, though I will in support of you, Benjamin, even if it means developing ulcers.
@chrysarose
@chrysarose 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for choosing the most transcendent meaningful piece of music to counter all that ugliness. Perfection.
@Karilith
@Karilith 4 жыл бұрын
"Just scream your head off, everyone will hear you - that's what matters." As a vocal student...no. Just...no. Screaming and singing are totally physiologically separate. Whoever told her that did not have her best interests at heart, and/or already knew that she was a hopeless case for any kind of vocal training. Which, if the videos can be stomached, will attest to the hopelessness of teaching her to do anything more than take up space on a stage.
@whatdafarkenhell7110
@whatdafarkenhell7110 4 жыл бұрын
She is good at taking up space, maybe she should be a professor of that.
@gregutz4284
@gregutz4284 4 жыл бұрын
This is quintessential "Participation Trophy" of the vocal arts there. Cringe. I just have to disagree with her - The pursuit of "perfection" is exactly what keeps us sharp, and innovating new things. I can just tell from her attitude that practice is not on the menu for her.
@DrTWG
@DrTWG 4 жыл бұрын
@@gregutz4284 Menu . That had to make me smile.
@kittykane2058
@kittykane2058 4 жыл бұрын
Benjamin A Boyce: Thank you so much for adding the choir performance at the end. It was absolutely awe-inspiring. It brought tears to my eyes. It is a beautiful example of what can be created when many voices work together. Naima's "followers" may have been loud and strong when they worked together. But, the nature of their effort caused the exact opposite result.😼
@gratefulanon1886
@gratefulanon1886 4 жыл бұрын
Truth without grace is tyranny. This is heartbreaking. It is like she has everyone fearful like little mice in a corner. Racism is not against one race! Can’t you see that? It is bullying. It also has a cult sort of vibe to it too.
@Gamewar5OOO
@Gamewar5OOO 4 жыл бұрын
It really bothers me that she's out of breath just from talking
@rogerkearns8094
@rogerkearns8094 4 жыл бұрын
I find it reassuring.
@martyzielinski2469
@martyzielinski2469 4 жыл бұрын
Jack Sainthill -and I thought I was alone.....
@ezwriter5589
@ezwriter5589 4 жыл бұрын
I'm a cardiovascular sonographer, and she desperately needs an echocardiogram, because her breathing isn't normal...although for the love of God and all things holy, please don't let me be the poor tech who has to scan through all that tissue.
@krexoriginal
@krexoriginal 4 жыл бұрын
It bothers me more that she blames racism for her exhaustion. I'm a fat girl myself. I know damn well it's MY fault. I focus on lifestyle changes as the solution, not blaming others or demanding victim status. I guess my White Privelege drives my Personal Responsibility. 🙄
@martyzielinski2469
@martyzielinski2469 4 жыл бұрын
Doesn’t bother me at all. I find it comforting.
@toni_smith
@toni_smith 3 жыл бұрын
"you can't get anything done when you're angry" - the one nugget of truth Naima has shared. And ironically, it was never used.
@TomGlm117
@TomGlm117 4 жыл бұрын
“Some assembly required” is quite apt for a Naima-centric video. Beauttiful ending, by the way. I could not agree more.
@dimestorewinemom2519
@dimestorewinemom2519 4 жыл бұрын
Tom Gustafson Reminds me of the “sirens” in Oh Brother, Where Art Thou. Such a beautiful song in both!
@farapipsqueek636
@farapipsqueek636 4 жыл бұрын
My mother grew up in post-war Poland, until she was 12 when the whole family moved to Israel. Wheny mom came here in the US, she remembered whart she had learned as a child - how horribly black people were treated. And she started working in East Orange, which was, and still is, an impoverished, heavily African American area. And she could not believe it - people had cars. Almost everyone had TV's. Her parents in Israel still didn't have a TV at that time, it was not common yet. While in Poland no one had a car. What is poor here is wealthy AF elsewhere.
@ChrisKHensley
@ChrisKHensley 4 жыл бұрын
Worst people at Evergreen (Ranked): 2. Naima 1. George Bridges
@valuablesandwich
@valuablesandwich 4 жыл бұрын
3. Jamil
@hollisarkham
@hollisarkham 4 жыл бұрын
That choral piece at the end was so goddamn beautiful I got goosebumps by the second verse, and when it ended I could hear my heart beating loudly in my ears. The more ideological koolaid you drink, the more filters a beautiful piece of art has to go through until there is almost no potency when it reaches your heart.
@zuzuspetals9281
@zuzuspetals9281 2 жыл бұрын
I've been reading posts for over an hour. You have assembled an amazing group of eclectic people here through your work. What a lovely community of common fonts we have become.
@bradmowreader5983
@bradmowreader5983 4 жыл бұрын
Poor little dog! Being smothered in armtit, literally in fear for his life. Another victim of naima's heavy heart. The boobalanche theory of Oppression.
@sd_pjwal
@sd_pjwal 4 жыл бұрын
Imagine how much happiness she could find just actually trying out JP's 12 rules and living a healthy life. I understand being passion and even religious about a cause, but there gets a point that you have to recognize that you are not helping that cause with your personal issues. That, in fact, you are hurting it.
@msabigailflurm1163
@msabigailflurm1163 4 жыл бұрын
Personal responsibility is raycis
@carbonoffset2151
@carbonoffset2151 4 жыл бұрын
Much Praise for your work! A very Important series that brings clarity to Evergreen college.
@BenjaminABoyce
@BenjaminABoyce 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you, Nicole 🙂
@Orf
@Orf 4 жыл бұрын
12:15 Naima "You shouldn't expect a place to defend yourself [from being labeled a racist]"
@GlenBradley
@GlenBradley 3 жыл бұрын
I almost busted an aneurysm at that one.
@texcatlipocajunior144
@texcatlipocajunior144 4 жыл бұрын
Wow Benjamin, glad you managed to get out of that place with your individual sanity intact. Reminds me of why I quit art school back in the 70s but orders of magnitude worse. Thanks for the documentary. Had no idea how ridiculous the situation in higher education has become. My father who taught philosophy and ethics at Skagit Valley must be turning over in his grave.
@JesseP.Watson
@JesseP.Watson 3 жыл бұрын
"DON'T PANIC! Developing patience and tenacity in a diverse community." These guys really have no sense of irony.
@irtanderson
@irtanderson 4 жыл бұрын
This is the best episode yet. The inclusion of the choir piece at the end was truly inspired. This series is one of the best pieces of journalism (in the truest sense of the word) I've seen in recent years.
@mrcoules
@mrcoules 3 жыл бұрын
After fifteen episodes I think I’m finally developing a thickening of the skin to this ideological madness.
@anadurao8189
@anadurao8189 4 жыл бұрын
Have no words for all this, I'm portuguese, and have been binge watching this videos/documentaries with incredulity and shock. This one (until now) is the best! Congrats to the guy who made it. Ironically and poetically sums it all up. This is Kafkaesque...and if the consequences were not so tragic, it would be a comedy....given by this (self proclaimed)"leaders". I don't want to ridicule, or make it a joke, and don't know if it was just me that notice the subtil irony in the words written in the woman's T-shit with the poor dog on her lap "leading" this "so call" protests. GOAL DIGGER..... priceless!!!
@jp-od2cd
@jp-od2cd 4 жыл бұрын
these videos are like the gym fail compilation videos for me; i don't know why i watch them but i just can't stop
@rootdigger1183
@rootdigger1183 4 жыл бұрын
The contrast between the possessed ugliness of naima and the rejuvenating beauty of the choral piece is powerful
@annewinter6348
@annewinter6348 4 жыл бұрын
Has any of these main characters of the series contacted you or commented on these videos? Any rebuttal or defense of their actions laid out by you? Anyone involved directly in these riots have remorse or re examined their actions and role they played in this craziness? Anyone questioning themselves or this doctrine after all is said and done? Anyone?
@Craftal
@Craftal 4 жыл бұрын
Bueller?
@kathleenkeller5375
@kathleenkeller5375 4 жыл бұрын
I am curious about that also
@dede4004
@dede4004 4 жыл бұрын
Same
@themetal
@themetal 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for that soothing palate cleanser at the end. I needed that after watching the video.
@chrysarose
@chrysarose 4 жыл бұрын
Right! Even better than cats. :)
@MsJazbren
@MsJazbren 4 жыл бұрын
Oh Benjamin. I'll confess to not being completely sober, but I can't believe I'd forgotten that choir video. I remember thinking the first time I saw it, 'What a beautiful moment, I'll never forget this.' And yet, I had. And, it's probably just my not-sober state talking here, but that's the first time I've been moved to tears by choir music in a while. I closed my eyes and, well, wow. Beauty, indeed.
@Craftal
@Craftal 4 жыл бұрын
I think the point of the Questions For White People project was to get white people to think about the fact that they don't have answers to those questions - the implication being that black people do have answers to those questions when you substitute 'white' for 'black'. I would have understood that and thought it was provocative, interesting art when I was 18. But, assuming that my interpretation is correct, the whole project then assumes a priori that both black and white people have identical respective experiences... which is, by definition, racist. I really do feel bad for people who define their worldview around race, even - or perhaps especially - when it's in the name of disassembling it. The whole thing is a psychic quagmire, which SJ advocates state outright ("Racism is an all-encompassing system!"), but they can't help themselves. Fighting it only serves to sink you further in. If you instead move very slowly and grab ahold of something, you have a much better chance of pulling yourself out of it. You can't fight the bog. Punching it gets you that much more stuck. You just have to get out of it.
@dorkusamericanus
@dorkusamericanus 4 жыл бұрын
I agree. Similarly,I recently stumbled upon an art show in a gallery which showcased some art from the 80s from a group of feminist artists called the Guerrilla Girls, which was all text about the wage gap and how women artists are paid 70 cents on the dollar compared to male artists, blah blah blah. I remember being extremely moved and inspired by this exact same piece back in the day. But finding it cringey af now The fact that people like Naima Lowe are still making art like this and trying to call it groundbreaking is part of the problem, though
@ditchranemanable
@ditchranemanable 4 жыл бұрын
Your suggestion for the "White People" project assumes she is an honest broker and she is not hiding her racial hatred behind the idea that art should make people uncomfortable to be good art. Her definition of "white people" is a very confined trope of privileges. By putting this out as an academic exercise she is exploit people's assumptions there is a "whiteness". However, in watching this series, there is no nuance, no research, and only her opinion. She expects people to blindly fall into the idea that the alternative is the ask "what is blackness", when we should be asking what is her definition of white? I think she would define "white" as "evil". So to read the questions that way would be "how does it feel to be evil?" "Do you notice when evil leaves the room?"
@zuzuspetals9281
@zuzuspetals9281 2 жыл бұрын
@@ditchranemanable Excellent observation.
@user-lx5iv5cw1w
@user-lx5iv5cw1w 3 ай бұрын
1. My skin tone. 2. No. I was born Asian? Duh. 3. When I realized people come in other colors. Which is something I would've first noticed on TV. 4. Same question as number three. Same answer 5. When it comes up. The news talks about it more than it used to. 6. Rarely. Kinda a drunk with friends sorta topic. 7. It's happened. Not often. 8. The Weather. Work. Our pets and families. In order of faniliarity. Just typical life goings ons. 9. The Roman empire. (I'm memeing) 10. No. 11. Yes. 12. (I'ma keep going, but my point is that I'm pretty sure that's not it, cause I can answer all these questions fairly easily so far.)
@user-lx5iv5cw1w
@user-lx5iv5cw1w 3 ай бұрын
12. Male AmeriMutt
@brokenumbrella913
@brokenumbrella913 4 жыл бұрын
I really like this one. The editing does such a good job of representing the madness of the situation, in all its flavors. Naima also does a good job of that. Hope you're doing something nice and sane right now, bless you
@eshwarinc
@eshwarinc 3 жыл бұрын
I also thought so, as an editor and artist, I really felt the shattered and fragmented psyche of the situation and the person. I also have a psychology back ground, and it is so reminiscent of how people that are empaths end up getting swept up and gaslit around people with personality disorders. Not at the fault of the person, but by the disorder it's self.
@keithbarnett3055
@keithbarnett3055 4 жыл бұрын
The shirt Naima Lowe is wear at the opening of the episode; "Goal Digger", makes me recall something Scott Adams said in one of his podcast. Paraphrasing: The Left tend to think and govern in terms of *goals*, while The Right tend to think and govern in terms of *systems*. I never noticed before, but now it's impossible to not see.....Goal Digger!
@thatgirlanne
@thatgirlanne 4 жыл бұрын
Evergreen State College really reminds me of my home only here its doctors. I live in a remote, mountain location. Some doctors practice here because they love this place and want this life. Some doctors practice here because they cannot practice anywhere else. This is educational malpractice and she is a cult leader.
@xxfalconlifexx9715
@xxfalconlifexx9715 4 жыл бұрын
I find it very interesting that (judging by the comments) The Complete Evergreen Story audience is starting to split between not being able to stomach anymore and being absolutely captivated. I'm in the absolutely captivated group.
@nowitsclear
@nowitsclear 4 жыл бұрын
Now we want to see her documentaries!
@BenjaminABoyce
@BenjaminABoyce 4 жыл бұрын
That would be an invaluable resource at this point. I’m operating from a dearth of protestor insider material.
@NinjaKittyBonks
@NinjaKittyBonks 4 жыл бұрын
Ben.....you are really doing a fine job with this series. I can see improvement in each successive episode, cheers! :)
@seanwhite1104
@seanwhite1104 4 жыл бұрын
Now that I've watched all FIFTEEN episodes of this, I'd love to share some feedback with you. First, WOW, fantastic work. This is a MASSIVE amount of content and as someone who makes educational videos for a living, I know how much work must've gone into these. Well done. And, thank you for chronicling this whole thing for the rest of us. I very much appreciate the fact that all this is available to anyone who might be interested and it stands as a historical record of what happened in this time and place. That said, there are also a couple things I couldn't help but notice where I think some critique is warranted. And, please bear in mind, I do mean critique, not criticism; these are things I'd put in the category of "room for improvement" if you consider making changes or additions to this in the future. 1. I couldn't help but notice that there are at least a few things left out of the retelling of events that happened during the protests. At this point, I don't remember if it was one of your previous videos or something someone else posted, but there is at least some amount of footage of what happened one of the nights of these protests when students were running around, for lack of a better word, "hunting down" people who'd been deemed "impure". I'd love to know why that wasn't included. I'd also like to know why there was no discussion of anything else that happened AFTER the protests. There are and have been repercussions, both immediately and long after, but you didn't cover any of that, which I couldn't help but notice and which left me feeling... unsatisfied, as if this were a novel with one of the later chapters missing. 2. You interviewed lots of people for this and I think that added a lot of nuance and gravity to this but I couldn't help but notice that you didn't interview any of the protest "leaders" or anyone from the college's administration. Maybe you tried and were turned down, maybe it was just impossible for any number of other reasons. But that omission was noticeable and I think the fact that those people don't have a chance to represent themselves does make this feel like a very one-sided telling of these events.For example, I couldn't help thinking through out, that I'd love to hear from one of the students, in their own words, why THEY felt that Bret's email was racist. Everything that was presented was video showing people reacting to conclusions that they've all already arrived at but we never get to hear WHY they arrived at those conclusions from their own point of view and in their own words. You got other students on camera after the fact talking about their experience and point of view, but not one of them was on the "other side" of the protests. Again, maybe you tried and it turned out to be impossible, but if so, you should've made that explicitly clear IN these videos. I do think that this is one of the reasons why many people feel you and your position are "hostile" to the college and to the protesters. I want to be clear that I'm not one of those people, but you referenced multiple times in these videos that people at the college know who you are and view you as hostile. And, I think some of that is legitimate. Finally, thanks again for putting all this together. It took a LOT of time and effort to put together and I admire and respect what you've done. Thank you!
@BenjaminABoyce
@BenjaminABoyce 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the critique! As the point one, I’m very far from finished with this, and we will get to the night you mentioned and other happenings that haven’t been covered. I assembled these 15 episodes in quick succession and I’m waiting for the bug of intensity to return because, as you pointed out, each episode takes a lot of work-and the material is rather demoralizing to be immersed in. So there’s that. As for point two, you are also spot on. I haven’t been able to interview any of the actors and so their position is woefully lacking. I hope to make that up as more footage comes available-but there won’t be much because the protestors dropped off the map once the public response came down so negatively against them. Again, thanks for the feedback!
@mchandler4722
@mchandler4722 11 ай бұрын
Besides Benjamin Boyce's response, there is also this fact: the OTHER side had the microphone most of the time, even if they had to "appropriate" it. They had every opportunity to do something besides sticking their fingers in their ears while yelling, "RACISM!" at the top of their lungs.
@vevrvivnv
@vevrvivnv 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for including the choir at the end. This is such a stressful series to watch. I can't imagine the toll living through this madness must have taken on everyone involved.
@dianauhlman56
@dianauhlman56 4 жыл бұрын
This series has need amazing and eye opening! Thank you for hard work.
@possiblefossilrecords
@possiblefossilrecords 4 жыл бұрын
That song and those harmonies at the end made me cry. Thank you.
@picklep9812
@picklep9812 4 жыл бұрын
Avery Studios me as well
@D00kerT
@D00kerT 4 жыл бұрын
Fantastic closing to this video my dude. Fantastic.
@PhilipMooremba
@PhilipMooremba 4 жыл бұрын
Well done Ben. A beautiful epitaph for Evergreen.
@landryprichard6778
@landryprichard6778 4 жыл бұрын
I will say this is the best breakdown of an incident I've ever seen. Great storytelling abilities Benjamin.
@castinlead3997
@castinlead3997 4 жыл бұрын
Those feet are the stuff nightmares are made of.
@milesmungo
@milesmungo 4 жыл бұрын
B-Boyce, I appreciate that the production quality goes up work each vid. Salute.
@BenjaminABoyce
@BenjaminABoyce 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks miles. I really appreciate the appreciation.
@theiliadsagamemnon
@theiliadsagamemnon 4 жыл бұрын
Life thrives in reverence and gratitude. Thanks again for all you do, Mr. Benjamin.
@dede4004
@dede4004 4 жыл бұрын
Absolutely in agreement!!
@saltburner2
@saltburner2 4 жыл бұрын
Compulsive viewing, but soooooo depressing. It is important that this is documented for posterity - but will they heed the warnings?
@aintgotnoname6548
@aintgotnoname6548 4 жыл бұрын
"Beauty is truth, and truth, beauty." Who said that? I read it in a book when I was little. No I'm not crying, u are
@katherinearnold9424
@katherinearnold9424 4 жыл бұрын
John Keats - Ode on a Grecian Urn
@FC-eh8nz
@FC-eh8nz 4 жыл бұрын
Amazing editing. Thanks for introducing me to that song!
@esotericagenda
@esotericagenda 3 жыл бұрын
It's fascinating when they think they're "learning to think critically" or "finding the answers on their own", when in reality the narrative is forced on them, and any attempt at digging deeper or exploring nuance is promptly shut down with intimidation or ostracization.
@sluggo2014
@sluggo2014 4 жыл бұрын
That hairstyle spells trouble
@empresspsycho3837
@empresspsycho3837 4 жыл бұрын
It can always be worse. We could be that little dog Naima carries around. Does he really have a choice?
@llareia
@llareia 3 жыл бұрын
I didn't really understand what you were doing with this one, until the end. Thanks. It's been a while since something moved me like this video did.
@MrAhriman42
@MrAhriman42 4 жыл бұрын
Why is everyone at evergreen pudgy and lumpy-faced?
@BenjaminABoyce
@BenjaminABoyce 4 жыл бұрын
Not everyone! Just those who took over.
@snusnumcgee9843
@snusnumcgee9843 4 жыл бұрын
That girl who was crying and saying community love at the beginning, I feel like she eats her feelings. She has those legs that are stuck together at the thigh and then bow out at the bottom. Did she steal some cake later?
@silverpairaducks
@silverpairaducks 4 жыл бұрын
Nicely edited
@malikshabazz2065
@malikshabazz2065 Жыл бұрын
damn the edits are so good. way to be Benjamin!
@cee_dot_610
@cee_dot_610 2 жыл бұрын
This whole series is off the hook, hinges, chain, meter, and the meat rack. Benjamin, you killed it my boi.
@ricodelavega4511
@ricodelavega4511 4 жыл бұрын
i like jamil's dumbfounded look @9:14 when that black girl asks the room if they know how many black students are living in the woods, in the dark.
@BenjaminABoyce
@BenjaminABoyce 4 жыл бұрын
Evergreen is definitely having some problems with their infrastructure, but aside a few days in the winters, their lights are kept on 24/7.
@snusnumcgee9843
@snusnumcgee9843 4 жыл бұрын
I’ve read articles accusing white people of racism for assuming that black people don’t enjoy the outdoors. This doesn’t help those optics
@theprofessional5656
@theprofessional5656 3 жыл бұрын
Benjamin, for the love of god - why did you choose this college?
@farcenter
@farcenter 10 ай бұрын
The ending here was so beautiful and a great reminder of what we all share
@slart1bartfast587
@slart1bartfast587 4 жыл бұрын
32:21 - "Just scream your head off, hehehe, everyone will hear, that's what matters" - Sums up everything that is going on culturally for the last 20+ years
@FrederickObando
@FrederickObando 4 жыл бұрын
I really liked your arty approach here. Very multi layered. I had to watch it 2-3 times to catch every little thing (and maybe there is still something more to discover when I'll watch it again). I also liked the way you used snippets of her words to talk to your audience. I appreciate it when you tell us where we are in the timeline relative to the protests: "one year before" or "the day after", etc. It is a lot easier to get the context. On the other hand, sometimes I had to stop the video to read everything that was going on while something else was being spoken about. Information overload! One again: great stuff, dude.
@BenjaminABoyce
@BenjaminABoyce 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you Frederick. In the end, I’ll probably always be more of a writer than a filmmaker. And there’s an inherent informational tension between the page and the screen.
@FrederickObando
@FrederickObando 4 жыл бұрын
@@BenjaminABoyce It's all good, man. You are doing a great job. So important. Can't wait for the next chapter. Thank you.
@Kornknealious
@Kornknealious 4 жыл бұрын
Mr. Boyce, exactly how many hours of her footage did you have to sort through and re watch to edit this? Any more than a full minute of watching this ....woman... would drive me insane. You are a brave man.
@BenjaminABoyce
@BenjaminABoyce 4 жыл бұрын
Quite a bit! You should see the emails though!
@kevin7151
@kevin7151 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you Benjamin for providing your continued updates on this tragedy in American college education. Excellent work on your part. Fortunately, I can alter my settings to 2.0x playback speed when there are segments focused on Naimi Lowe as I don't want to waste much time listening to her diatribe about people who don't align with her views. It is indeed unfortunate that is where we find ourselves today.
@derekfish7768
@derekfish7768 4 жыл бұрын
Benjamin how did you survive this? If I was there I would have been afraid to speak. I'm a very agreeable person I don't really want to make any waves and I definitely would have self-censored
@BenjaminABoyce
@BenjaminABoyce 4 жыл бұрын
We’ll get to that...
@darthmom1019
@darthmom1019 4 жыл бұрын
There are a lot of us who would've self cenored. A lot of people cannot handle the backlash. Better to keep your mouth shut & survive.
@lolzhammer8281
@lolzhammer8281 4 жыл бұрын
I'd have had the opposite problem. When confronted by bulls*** like this, I have NO ability to self-censor. Gave me hell both growing up and during my time in the army... Heck, when some snowflakes whining in their exit interviews led to the wonderful mental health agency I work for having an outside consultant conduct a "diversity and inclusion assessment", I answered it honestly, then used the comments section to address the consultant directly. Told him that I know all about how his pseudo-communist bs worked, where it came from and what it's REALLY after... Then emailed full screenshots to our CEO so he couldn't try and get me fired by misquoting me or quoting me out of context. I can't have been the only one, either within our agency or outside of it, because not only was our assessment cancelled, the agency he worked for cancelled the entire program shortly there after. Long story short: never feel like you have to go along with this authoritarian crap. Be the one to speak out, because I guarantee you are NOT alone in realizing this is total bunk.
@darthmom1019
@darthmom1019 4 жыл бұрын
@@lolzhammer8281 - LOL - I'm like that (to an extent) now. But for most of my life, I stayed silent & didn't want to create a scene. Now that I'm over 40 years old, I honestly don't give an f* anymore. It's actually quite liberating to be honest. 👍 It's better to be hated for who you are than lived for who you are not. ⭐
@RonnieD1970
@RonnieD1970 4 жыл бұрын
I would have ended up in jail.
@kayde801
@kayde801 4 жыл бұрын
Benjamin the part at the end speaking on the pursuit of unattainable (but glorious in my opinion) truth and beauty paired with that song seriously made me get emotional!! We need help right now as a country. We are so lost and are struggling. I wish we could all go down to the river and pray....
@ChatBot1337
@ChatBot1337 4 жыл бұрын
The constant nervousness and heavy breathing in her voice indicates to me either she knows she is lying or a narcissistic paranoia believing she virtually has a gun to her head in any of these videos. A college professor.. of film.. does not get to use the stage fright defense.
@snusnumcgee9843
@snusnumcgee9843 4 жыл бұрын
Or just terribly unhealthy
@eliciaclegg6338
@eliciaclegg6338 4 жыл бұрын
Most excellent as always
@Christopher.Bingham
@Christopher.Bingham 4 жыл бұрын
Something happened to the idea of craft in art, that was heavily influenced by the punk ethic - "if you scream loud enough at least they'll hear you." I came to school to study the craft of composition and mastering enough instruments to communicate well, and that aesthetic / ethic has disappeared from not only schools, but much of the music being made, period. Lowe is a classic example of what happens when we abandoned that. TESC has such incredible facilities. 40 years ago, when I started there, we used to say that if we could combine Cornish teachers with Evergreen equipment, we'd have a school second to none. Maybe someone will buy a clue and recharter the school and make it place to learn to actually hone some skills. Maybe I'm just too old. I'm glad I'm not there now.
@dede4004
@dede4004 4 жыл бұрын
Christopher, love your opening aentences. I agree. I'm a professional musician, went pro at 16, and never stopped learning, practicing or pushing for growth. (Personal and professional) My husband is a college professor/teacher, and we've been fighting the decades of dumbing down, and push for the lowest common denominator. The educational system can NOT help students by focusing on the lowest learners, and making that the standard for everyone. We need a push for excellence once again. China now FAR surpasses us in education and knowledge in the young. This is not good for us as a nation. Focusing entirely on race makes this even worse for these students. Go on the Evergreen website and read some of the student reviews, it's eye opening.
@LaurenRuby
@LaurenRuby 3 жыл бұрын
The singing at the end gave me goosebumps.
@derekfish7768
@derekfish7768 7 ай бұрын
And thank you so much for doing this expose
@leedufour
@leedufour 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Benjamin.
@arktana
@arktana 4 жыл бұрын
You will be a great documentary filmmaker Benjamin!
@saram3840
@saram3840 4 жыл бұрын
does anyone else chuckle every time the see the clip of Naima talking about sitting on asses for 40 years?
@BitigoBlack
@BitigoBlack 3 жыл бұрын
That "under the rug" appearance of Ben cracked me up!
@jamesbeach7405
@jamesbeach7405 4 жыл бұрын
I am continually reminded of attending church services with call and response. There really is a religious like aspect to this ideology. Community love... community love. We must love and protect each other. Hey hey ho ho
@drewmann856
@drewmann856 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah, as a religious person, it isn't hard to see the religious impulse embedded in all of this. These people have just replaced their parents Protestant Christianity with Intersectionalism. It's actually quite striking how much Intersectionality relies on a specifically Protestant Christian framework. They're just Lutheran atheists looking for purpose in life.
@Christopher.Bingham
@Christopher.Bingham 4 жыл бұрын
@@drewmann856 Whiteness is a version of original sin. Nothing you can do to remove the stain except pray the the way they want you to pray.
@drewmann856
@drewmann856 4 жыл бұрын
@@Christopher.Bingham No, Whiteness is Total Depravity. Liberal POC's are the "elect". It's literally just the secularization of Lutheranism/ Calvinism.
@tin2001
@tin2001 4 жыл бұрын
@@Christopher.Bingham Pretty sure even following every little detail they tell you will be be enough. They talk about slavery like they were slaves. They talk about poverty while filming things with iPhones. They don't know the meanings of the things they talk about.
@cheerwhiner7829
@cheerwhiner7829 4 жыл бұрын
“Burn this place to the ground...” 1:23 It seems like I’ve heard that somewhere recently 🤔
@kevinnaranek6649
@kevinnaranek6649 4 жыл бұрын
Was any evidence ever produced to prove who took down the posters.? Others Outside the campus? Others from the campus against "the students"? "The students" themselves?
@nope24601
@nope24601 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the hymn at the end.
@jock-of-ages73
@jock-of-ages73 4 жыл бұрын
I'm having an okay day today and i have a feeling that will disappear if i watch this. You still have all my support and I still thumbs up'd it.👍🏼 Is 'thumbs up'd it' even real words? LoL.✌🏼
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