everything i've heard about the ned's declassified podcast has been against my will.

She probably doesn't see herself as a victim because she intentionally took ambien in part to help her relax to do that. I have done things like this. I feel mostly responsible but looking back I was self harming and I wish the other person rejected me.

My mom tried to overdose on Ambien about 10 years ago and I remember the ER nurse telling me that her friend was prescribed to Ambien and she would take it at night like prescribed and she would end up fucking driving across town and then she would wake up and not know what the fuck was going on. Shit's terrifying

I gotta say when I pulled this video up I did NOT expect it to be Ned’s declassified cast members and that really just shocked me in itself

As a former Ambien user, it absolutely messes you up. I'm an artist and I would sleep draw/make art plans that made no sense in the morning.

To me it seemed like she was implying that they were both on ambient, or at least both not sober at all. And that she was sad (at the time) to not remember it because she had a crush on him and expected it to be a night to remember. Idk, it's really for them both to decide how they feel about it.

Honestly, it's a touchy situation overall. She may not consider herself a victim because she doesn't believe that she is, but she also just may not be aware of how horrible it actually was. She even said herself she was upset but wasn't fully sure of the reason, so it may be possible she is just starting to realize and process the incident

Here's a little context from someone who watches the show… Let me start by saying that I do not condone what took place. However, Lindsay talks a lot about how she used to do a lot of drugs and a lot of wild things. She acknowledges the fact that those drugs were a problem, and she needed to get sober but she also takes accountability for the things that she WANTED to do. So, to her this probably wasn't an assault. In her mind, she's probably chalking it up to a wild time that she had when she was an addict. I think that's the context that a lot of people are missing. It sounds crazy to sober people but in the midst of addiction it's really "not that big of a deal" to be engaging in intercourse while on a substance.

As someone who has had traumatic things happened to them, I think it's none of our business. It's not our place to talk about it or label someone as a victim/rapist. I've had a time where I did a lot of drugs and drank pretty heavily and didn't remember a sexual encounter afterwards, but I'd think it would be very weird for strangers on the internet to tell me I was a victim in that situation when I don't see it that way. I also think it's unfair to the guy in the situation. So until she comes out and tells us, she was taken advantage of and that she is in fact a victim, I don't think it's any of our business.

I think the most important bit of context we’re missing is if the were BOTH under the influence or if it was just her. It’s not clear at all, and ot changes the entire tone of the story

I think her, joking about how she was upset afterwards is really sad. I don’t know if it’s a way to cope but this is insanely harmful.

From the clip, it almost seems like maybe Chris was also on something. They mentioned both of them being out of it, and Lindsey said she was surprised for Chris to be up so early for the gym, as if he had a wild night as well. Lindsey might just be more open to talking about her addictions and past behaviors and thus went more into detail about her own actions that night as opposed to Chris who maybe chooses to focus on how other people acted around him at that time.

It sounded like they were both out of it from the way they told it, for whatever that's worth? Agreed it's a very disturbing story either way

Wow. That whole podcast is a fucking trainwreck from start to finish and the epitome of TMI. The clips that have gone viral aren’t funny, it’s legitimately concerning that Shaw approaches these stories with a blasé attitude and chuckling like they’re a funny anecdote. The fact other Nick shows (VICTORIOUS, for instance) have similar stories is very telling as well.

Some people do have a destructive streak and will just accept whatever happens during a drugged out/drunk night as " just another wild night🤷🏻‍♀️"

lindsey shaw is a major victim blamer, it doesn't surprise me that she downplays her own trauma. it's likely a response to being victimized from childhood in hollywood. maybe she blames herself, so now she blames other victims?

Can confirm Ambien is crazy. I used to be prescribed to this. I'd apparently be signing checks to my mom and not even remembering!

So I grew up watching that show on nic and it was one of my favorites. And then I use to have a big crush on her character … so to see so much come out now about how much she was traumatized as a child and how… little anyone cared… and how she herself makes jokes out of horrible stuff… it makes me really sad for her. I worry for her tbh. As much as a stranger can worry about another obviously.

But the guy didn't "slip" her an ambien, from what we can tell. It seems like she took the ambien herself and then had a sexual encounter. It's not the guys fault that she didn't remember, it wasn't his "plan" (from we can tell) to assault her. To me, it seems like two people that were attracted to each other had sex and then because of her medications, she couldn't remember. How is that the guys fault? It's not. Provided there isn't something else that we are missing.

Ambien blackouts are more common than you think. I blacked out and almost died from ODing on the rest of my Ambien. Its a hypnotic.

Oh my God I'm so glad you're covering this - the mention of ambien caught me off guard so hard.

Oh god I remember trying Ambien and I woke up driving and I was an hour away from my house. One of the freakiest fucking thing I've ever experienced. Never touched it again. I couldn't have just been one of those who completely raided the fridge.

It’s amazing to me how many people will tell you a story of something horrific like it’s normal, because for them it is (or was) normal. Like we were telling kind of “our crazy parents” stories one time, and someone with whom I am very close said, like it was totally normal, “like when you’d get in trouble and your mom would put cayenne pepper in your panties”. 😳😳😳 I have no understanding of how she, at nearly 30 years of age, *still* thought that had been normal. My heart hurts for her, and no one knew what to do.

Speaking as someone who’s told an SA story as if it were a silly little anecdote: she has no idea that it was SA/a traumatic situation YET. She knows she felt weird about it but she doesn’t know why. I’ve been there. Even if the guy is totally innocent in the situation. Even if he had no idea she took anything, or if he took something too and was in the same state of mind, the situation would still be effed up. She could easily feel traumatized by the situation, even if he’s a totally innocent, Angel of a man. But maybe I’m just biased from my own life experiences.

I never knew who Lindsey Shaw was and everything I’ve seen of her I’ve cringed so hard. Very pick me

this is a very weird way to share this kind of thing.

They are Nickelodeon stars this behavior is not surprising

I used to take ambien nightly, for along time! Prescribed and a high dose. Honestly, nobody could ever tell when I was on it lol. My husband never knew when I’d take it! He knew I had them, just didn’t see a difference in me, apparently I acted the same. But of course, everyone is different! I stopped taking it after I didn’t remember having sex with my husband the night before. He wasn’t aware I had taken already, before anyone says anything. He didn’t like that, it made him uncomfortable, so I stopped taking it! It isn’t always obvious when someone takes it, it’s wild!:O I wonder if he didn’t know, and that’s why he looked uncomfortable after she said that?

I noticed how embarrassed he looks. Like he was clearly uncomfortable because he knew what it really was.

I know it's hard for some to understand but I think of she feels fine with what happened and doesn't see it as assault then it needs to just be left at that. It can do more damage if she starts becoming convinced it was an assault simply because everyone is pushing her to feel that way about it. I've been SAd several times before under the influence. I've also had perfectly consentual sex under the influence. How she feels about it is what matters. I do think it was in poor taste though to clip it the way they did and upload it to tiktok.

My father took Ambien and he got scared enough of it from sleepwalking, which was something he never did before until he started taking it. He had to wean himself off it, too. When my doctor suggested it for my nights of diabetic-induced insomnia, I refused. I smoke cannabis instead on those nights (legal here in my state). With those effects from Ambien, I can imagine that a blackout could occur. Also have to take into consideration it can be used recreationally and abused, too. So much to sift through in this instance with Lindsay.

Please talk about Mark Laita and the Soft White Underbelly and then posting CP online and selling it essentially through his private site's subscriptions. BJ investigates has been talking about it. He took the first video down and censored it but still has it up uncensored on multiple websites.

When she told this story he looked nervous. Seems to me that she's "playfully" confronting him about this situation, but with an edge. It was like hey I really liked you but you were a bit of a cad, up early and then off to the gym when I had forgotten the whole thing. His awkward chuckling, his face getting red, indicate guilt. He had sex with her after the ambian took effect, when she was obviously out of it. She says she blacked out the rest of the night after sitting in the lobby. It makes me sad that she says she was "a bitch" the whole next day on set, and says she was "crushed". Perhaps in addition to feeling she didn't get the love she wanted, she also felt kind of disturbed, like he took advantage of her when she wasn't really even present, and he shouldn't have.

speaking as someone who works in the anti-gender based and sexual violence field through explicitly trauma-informed and survivor-centric frameworks - if this happened to me i would consider it SA/R. that being said, i think it's important for us to remember that every person's relationships to themselves and their own experiences is paramount. if that's not how she chooses to identify herself and her experiences, at least currently, we need to hold space for that. i think the choice for producers to post this and the way it was spoken about was hugely questionable given the very real perpetuation of rape culture and having a potentially impressionable audience. with regards to lindsey specifically, if she is not currently identifying herself as a survivor and that experience as SA, then it is not our job to do that for her. i'm not particularly fond of lindsey or things she has said and done in the past, but in saying that, i also need to keep in mind that she should have autonomy over herself and her experiences and the language she uses to describe them, as per the survivor-centric and trauma-informed lens i use in my work. overall, i think it's incredibly important for us to hold space for her to come forward in the future if her feelings on the matter change and she identifies it differently than she seemingly is now, but we can't and shouldn't label someone else's experience and inflict our own language on it if that's not how she identifies it and has expressed feeling currently.

She's so dissociated from how bad that truly is. Now we know why she is a victim blamer.

This is so hard to work through without knowing a lot of context- like if the other person knew about the ambien. However, I don't know how you couldn't tell someone was on Ambien. It sounds like she had regrets too 💔 I have never taken it despite a severe sleep disorder because it scares me. A friend used to text me while on ambien and it was just random words jumbled together which they wouldn't remember sending at all.

somebody greenlit that, edited it, didn't stop and go "this seems like something we shouldn't just casually drop without a lot of discussion". Smells shady

I took ambien once and woke up naked and covered in dry oatmeal

It sounds like he may have been fucked up himself, as well. I don’t know anything about these people and I don’t want to come to anyone’s defense but the way he describes talking to the concierge makes it sound like they were both on some substances

I think it's an interesting and helpful conversation to have in the theoretical sense. But I've worked with a lot of trauma survivors and telling a rape victim that she's a victim before she's ready to accept it can be anywhere from unhelpful to really harmful to her. (this isn't a criticism of this video at all. again, to discuss from a distance I think can be helpful for others. I hope she's doing okay if this is that viral of a discussion though)

Maybe the guy also made it sound normal because she was downplaying it ...

Beanie fail? Nah beanie win. Gives dog vibes!

She legit has all the signs of a former csa survivor.

Yay early crowd! Also lol at the cat ears thing, love the outfit G! I hope you feel better soon 💜 seriously everyone is getting sick lately 😟 Re: the guy's face, that did stand out to me but I won't say that's like a confession. He does look suspicious though, like visibly uncomfortable. I was shocked at the way she talked about it too it was so sad. The way the conversation topic changed was so strange and abrupt too.

you can't always tell when someone has taken one. One time I went to my moms and she was so nice, she gave me a bunch of groceries and stuff. Filled me up with her fridge. Turned out she was on Ambien and didn't really remember it. She kind of did, like a dream she was unsure she had.

Oof, next week are the last of my finals. I’m right there with you, good luck! You’re almost at the end of the semester, you got this 💪

Do they say they actually had sex, or just that she woke up butt nekked? In any event, I can see how this could go either way. No, you shouldn’t have sex with people who are black-out wasted, even if they’ve already consented. However, as someone who used to be an addict and also had a lot of crazy sex during that time, it certainly wasn’t all non-consensual just because I was wasted, or even when I couldn’t remember it the next day. It kind of depended for me a lot on how much trust I had in the other party. If it was someone I trusted would have been treating me with love and respect, to me it was just some fun twilight-land me had, and which waking me didn’t necessarily get to know about. But that’s addiction for you. That said, if someone I didn’t want to have sex with took advantage of me in that state, or pushed me into things I clearly wouldn’t have been okay with or wasn’t enjoying, then sure, I would have considered that non-consensual. Addicts forking addicts gets messy, morally, ethically, legally, emotionally, socially…. It’s just messy. Don’t do drugs, kids.

I'm trying to understand was he high as well but not as high as her, or was he drunk or just doesn't get hangovers like that even though he was hammered because I would think it does changes things a bit if neither of them are sobar but idk I'm just confused

I had many ambien nights, I would take the pill and stay up for hours and walk around like I was on nothing at all, but the next day I maybe would forget what happened that night. So you can easily be on it and “functioning” but amnesia is a side effect.

I never told anyone this, but I was with a friend, a good friend and we went to his house to look at his tapes. We smoked some weed. I was sitting on his bed and I I lay back and kind of closed my eyes and then all of a sudden I feel my legs being moved and he’s kind of moving me around and that’s when I wake up. I didn’t say “what’s going on?” I said I had to go and then I just left. he was getting ready to do what he could, and that’s the closest I ever came to sexual assault.

Nah dude this is assigning trauma to someone who maybe didn't think something bad happened. Y'all are weird. As someone who used to be a very heavy drinker, there were absolutely mornings I woke up in someone else's bed with no memory of who's or how. That does NOT mean I was taken advantage of. You're projecting your own trauma onto others.

girl i hear ya on finals lol. also add wire cleaner thingies and it will pop the ears

I feel like this is getting blown out of proportion

9:24 I don’t think I’d classify Gulia ( Aka Ready To Glare) as an idiot KZfaqr. She may not be the smartest KZfaqr ( because there are doctors, lawyers, historical experts, and engineers on this platform), but she’s by no means stupid.

Good luck to you on your finals!

I mean to be honest it sounds like she was okay with it, Ambien or not? She sounded *disappointed* that she didn’t remember it. And tbh? Sounds like what’s his face wasn’t exactly completely lucid either. Not to mention, I’m just not going to look at a person and tell them they’re a victim. If she comes to see herself as a victim, that’s her call. I might ask her if she feels like she consented to it, though. It’s very… tedious. To say the least.

It's interesting because if he was a woman, the main argument for a lot of people would've been "but if she was a man, she'd be in jail already". I think this situation once again shows that 1. Men more often than not don't actually face consequences contrary to popular belief and 2. They're given a lot more grace when they're accused because people don't want to jump to conclusions or because they assume he "simply didn't know it was SA" while they go extra hard on accused women to not seem hypocritical in the name of "equality" because they're so convinced that women, especially when they're victims of men always get justice and men never do. I'm not saying he did or didn't do it. This is just an observation I've made countless times

TW SA. I have taken ambien for insomnia and been drugged against my will and there were some similarities between the feelings but it’s not exactly the same. Everyone has different tolerances like you said but the times that I’ve been able to stay awake on ambien, I remember small flashes of the time I was awake. It is a very heavy sleeping drug.

i know this might seem strange but it's kinda refreshing to hear people not censor themselves by saying 'sa' or 'the r word' or just literally bleeping themselves. It's like jesus man just fuckin say it! it's so annoying. So yeah nice work lol.

7:25 ish When I was taking ambien, I was apparently very coherent and intelligible. My ex-husband and I had several in depth conversations and a few sexual encounters that I have 0 memory of. I've heard it described as: Ambien turns off the recording but the movie is still going. "Your brain goes to sleep, but your body is all 'Eye of the Tiger'.". I'm not mad about what happened with my ex and the ambien, but we were in a long-term established relationship and I had only started ambien recently, so he didn't know how to tell if I'd taken it yet or not.

Not Paige 😭🤚🏻

I’ve taken ambien before. You know when someone’s high on it. There is no questions, she was on drugs. that was assault. Ambien is a hell of a drug. My great grandmother took it her entire life and there was still no tolerance. It’s not something you can mask. Regaurdless he assaulted her. There is absolutely no universe where you can take an ambien and no one know. It is a SLEEPING pill that makes you HALLUCINATE. It is simply not possible. There’s many of times women convince themselves something was not assault simply bc they do not want to be victimized. She was on a hallucinogenic sleeping med. that IS assault. In the eyes of the law it is assault. There is no question.

I think this man realized how bad this was AS she was telling it, and possibly didn’t know at the time or didn’t understand how bad it was that she was on Ambien. And when Lindsey breezes past it in the podcast, he’s happy to move on cause he’s like “oh shit, I had no idea”

I may be imagining it, but he looks uncomfortable the whole time she's telling the story. The fact that she was on drugs a lot in the past doesn't excuse it, but we can't force her to realise it. If she's not ready, it will fuck her up more than it would if she realised through therapy, for example. I hope she's okay. Edit: Apparently, I'm not the only one who thought he looked uncomfy.

7:40 i used to take ambien recreationally and no one ever fckn knew lmao

She might not have viewed it as SA because it doesnt look like traditional SA, it was done by a friend and she “consented” in the sense that she liked him and she said yes while under the influence. The same thing happened to me many times as a teenager, i would get way too drunk and black out and then guys i knew would try to sleep with me and i would “consent” in my drunken state. So for a long time i felt like it would be wrong to say it was SA, because i did like at least two of them and became friends with them later on down the line. That happened when i was 16, but i didnt realize it was SA until i was 20 and even now i struggle to call it that because i guess thats the one form of SA that people actually debate about, and it gets to me. Like i feel like i should shoulder the blame even though in every case i was slurring my words and stumbling around, while the guys i was with were never as drunk as i was. They knew i was super drunk, and they took advantage of that fact. I guess thats just the one way that victim blaming culture got to me, but only when it comes to myself because in this case i definitely think that guy SAed her

Ambient affects everyone differently . When I had sex under Ambien I was coherent my speech wasn’t slurred but I don’t remember anything

I asked someone with a colorful past both sexually and with substances and this was her take. Sometimes the other person cannot tell what state you're in. Especially men. They get tunnel vision and can't always tell your pupils are some kinda way. They think they're just hooking up with someone. Totally oblivious to the fact that you will not remember anything the next day.

omg i need that top 😭

I had to fast forward the tik tok that is the subject of this video because it’s triggering. Joking and not thinking much about something like that is a common response. I can relate. Glad you’re talking about it.

Hi Glare! 😀😃😄

I have had friends do some insane things on Ambien for example my one friend was going through a rough time and was staying with his grandmother. He cooked a FULL meal for her late at night. I mean side dishes and everything as well as a main course. He did not remember a thing! I had a full on conversation with my sister on the phone that was completely coherent and she responded to all my indepth questions ( I had no clue she was on Ambien) she later told me she had NO recolection I had called!! Its a weird drug for many and quite dangerous mixed with drinking!

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Recovered drug addict or not, this is absolutely terrifying, and I sincerely hope (though I doubt) that she followed it up with "This is not something I advise you should do, it's terrifying that I don't remember, because I was under the influence of Ambien." I'm a r*pe survivor and Idk how deep her thought process has gone into that experience or if she'll ever allow it to/want to... I do know how she has mistreated a r*pe survivor and activist/advocate, Alexa Nikolas. Her and Alexa used to be best friends, and Alexa told a brief story about Lindsey protecting her from someone who may have r*ped her (had she not intervened) so it's all so sad. I am simultaneously sad for Lindsey (her drug addiction, etc.) and also frustrated by how she has chosen to treat Alexa.

I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure, Christy Carlson Romano and her husband are the owners of the podcast company that makes their podcast. Which would make sense as shes also under fire for profiting on victims with that whole ordeal with (alexa, i think her name is).

If I had a dollar for every time I was sexually assaulted while under the effects of ambien I'd have 4 dollars.

It must be scary for one to find out they may have been assaulted all those years ago by someone they trusted and liked. She either might just be covering up the pain with a funny story about it, or she might have been oblivious to what is actually considered assault. And back when they were more naive, they probably didn't put much thought into the sex or consent, as a lot of horny teens do, especially on drugs or alcohol. I also have lost a lot of faith in humanity and am now rooting for the animals instead.

I can’t believe they clipped this

This also makes me think of the armchair expert episode with Kelly clarkson and Dax pushing that weird sex scenario with Monica and Matt Damon

The thing about the ages - I was born in 1994 and in 2011, I turned 17. So if she’s five years older than me, she would have been around 22. Even if the film took like two years to edit and release, she was still well over 18.

Watch the intro make “pig hats” viral 😂 (yes, I’m trying to ignore the trauma too)

. "Because of The Tamil Kings, in a Bill Wurtz Video, There Are, connections to be made ."

Ambien is not a joke. There are some nights and situations that are completely gone for me. My mother used to fight it and hallucinate, if I didn’t go to sleep right away, I had also experienced hallucinations on ambien. My mom hurt herself many times and it was a problem, I had to record it and show her doctor so he’d stop prescribing it to her. She knew she hurt herself accidentally but didn’t remember any of it. You do not mess with that shit, it’s dangerous if used incorrectly.

They look like bat ears. How cute!

It seems like since your loss that your clothes and everything have changed drastically. I love it. You are beautiful to me anytime I've ever seen you regardless. Just making an observation and wondering if you're comfortable sharing if this is something that is possibly helping you cope or anything that may help me as I am dealing with loss rn and I need any info I can get.

I think this is a very unique case, yet at the same time I find that no one should be able to consent while on Ambien. I’m an RN who has seen people on many different medications and Ambien is up there as the worst. No matter the individual, Ambien can have drastic effects on them.

Not these two again. I’m still mad about her BJ story. And I’m not mad at her for maybe going through SA. I just know way too much about these people cuz of this podcast.

That whole podcast is unhinged. There was another episode where Lindsay said she ran through the entire cast and was giving Ned's actor BJs all over the set in between takes. Some things can stay classified, guys.

I was prescribed Ambien by a doctor. The first night i thought everything was made of wool and giggling and the second night i was screaming a witch was cutting up dead bodies and giving them to bugs so they can build a bridge to kill me. I stopped taking it after that

Sounds like alcohol was involved too, on both ends. Like they were both messed up. Who knows what else he was on at the time. She said they were out clubbing. She's upset cause she wanted him, got him, and doesn't remember it. She was even upset that he didn't seem impressed, like she wanted him to be like "oh my God, you're amazing, that was the best sex I've ever had!" That's what I see anyway.

I’m torn, because my core belief when it comes to rape and SA is that you’re the only one who should have a say in whether or not you are a victim. If you think you’re a victim of SA, you are no matter who thinks you’re not a victim or who blames you. And that goes for legal issues as well IMO; even if your assaulter was acquitted by court it still has no bearing on that, you are the only one who has the right to say. But I also feel very strongly in the opposite direction; if you are not traumatized by a certain situation, or if you don’t think what happened to you was as big of a deal as others may make it out to be, you are not a victim. Some people are very sensitive when it comes to things like abuse and assault, and that’s fine but you as the person who went through the situation are the only one who can say whether you’re a victim or not. As an example that is far from this caliber but whatever. I have a friend who went through SA as a child and she is very sensitive to anything she feels is too intimate. She hates when people are behind her, and I have seen her nearly punch several people because they touched her shoulder or arm from behind when she wasn’t ready. She has also previously said she basically considers anyone touching her without consent (even if it’s a closer friend) and hugs from men that she didn’t initiate as harassment. I am not as sensitive and know I am privileged to not have the same experiences as her, and so the things she would consider SA or harassment is not something that would make me feel victimized. But my opinion on this stands; no one should be allowed to dictate whether you are a victim or not. If this lady doesn’t think she is a victim, she isn’t and wherever she draws her line for herself is not up to us to decide. We all have boundaries and personal spaces, and I’d like to imagine we would all feel gross and disrespected if someone tried to bend those boundaries to whatever they feel is correct. Edit; I think it’s an entirely different conversation if we’re talking what specifically the law should consider rape/SA, or where the line should be drawn between degrees of assaults etc.. But in this particular case no one is talking about that, it’s just a bunch of people telling this lady how she should feel about HER body in HER situation, that her own feelings and experiences are not valid or that she’s a horrible person for not feeling a certain way about HER experience. Neither you nor I has a right to speak on that. If she changes her mind later she can, but people’s reactions are giving “this woman is too stupid to think for herself so we’ll tell her how she has to feel”. Ironically that’s basically the same reaction people have towards rape victims as well.

I am slightly confused if both of them were on the ambient or just Lindsey?

WWWOAH was NOT expecting the podcast to come from them. I did unfollow them after sometime. Something did not just feel right after a while. Not sure what it is. I am concerned though but that's just me

16:26 this is straight up projection. How in the heck do you know she's feeling anything else? That is your own projection.

after the way lindsey has handled the spectacle between her and alexa nikolas and christy carlson romano, im not surprised

Off topic but wow.. you look gorgeous! ❤

It seems to me like they took ambien together at the same time and planned to sleep together as they're taking it ? But still if he wasn't as messed up, he shouldn't have

17:06 YOU DO NOT KNOW THIS BABES. Not everyone reacts and behaves the way you want them to on drugs.

I feel like she outted him in a cool calm and collected way. It made him comfortable enough to admit it on camera

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