【VTUBER NEWS】Filian Under Fire For Copyright Issues

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Rima Evenstar

Rima Evenstar

11 күн бұрын

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@felipesalas3373
@felipesalas3373 9 күн бұрын
Stream starts at 12:10
@ransan
@ransan 4 күн бұрын
2:36:06
@marakevans3984
@marakevans3984 9 күн бұрын
I'm sorry Rima. I sleep to your streams and vods sometimes. Have to go over it again at 2x speed when I wake up though.
@hoho7029
@hoho7029 9 күн бұрын
Well Filian might have responded on stream but theres no "official statement" to be find .
@alexisnekko
@alexisnekko 8 күн бұрын
i don't like this 44:00 46:00 Is it almost like you are deflecting the point of what is going on here, Rima then jumps to talking about "hate" and "people who think they know others" etc. But the people here is not the point, the point is filian. You look like you are justifying her by using people's reaction as a means of mitigation of what filian did "you don't know the person" can also be used in the context of thinking "ah I think she did pay the model" as you are at the same time assuming just like those you criticize, filian can be perfectly unaware of what happened or be fully aware and still give a shit. I also agree that many antis came out to say things, but the majority who complained, or the important ones were artists, and trying to make this into something like "they are angry people jealous of their success" is more of a way to invalidate the reaction and anger of the artist community. As an artist, i don't like soo far how Vtuber news channels are taking this issue.
@GacMan47
@GacMan47 8 күн бұрын
Why would you believe she paid for her model when she already said she didn't? What is it with people believing the opposite when there's proof. She even said it twice that she didn't pay for it. Also she has a fansly for people to pay to view her model in whatever weird stuff she does on there.
@rimaevenstar
@rimaevenstar 8 күн бұрын
Becauseresearch and thats a clip taking out of context. Check the full vod
@GacMan47
@GacMan47 8 күн бұрын
​@@rimaevenstarI am and it just kind of sounds like you are ignoring and discrediting all the sources you are citing.
@alexisnekko
@alexisnekko 6 күн бұрын
@@GacMan47 it's over bro she used the "clip taking out of context" excuse, I think the conversation is going to just one side. It seems like all the news channels are side with filian, because either they talk about the situation but in a passive/protecting/excusing filian's actions. nousagi and rima cover the stuff like that as same as faleseyes and khyo didn't even care to make a video. i guess it's inde brotherhood? idk :/
@vergillives9890
@vergillives9890 9 күн бұрын
Don't forget for mel he tried to pull a nijisanji where he tried to own to the pilot as personal property im glad she was able to escape
@vergillives9890
@vergillives9890 9 күн бұрын
And for the clippers i believe they could also be monetized alot of people were upset she had 2 art sections one for art and one for AI art because she didn't want them combined
@theultramage
@theultramage 9 күн бұрын
One thing that stood out to me repeatedly is that to my understanding, both jingo and komado don't seem to have a proper grasp of their own license. Jingo wrote that they want attribution, but their license has a big image saying "not necessary but preferred". komado says plushies and ingame skins are prohibited, but their license says "contact us" and "monetizing all forms of derivative works (not directly made with the 3d model file) is permitted". It feels like the license was generated from a booth template, and like the template wasn't reviewed by a copyright lawyer because it's poorly made. For example, the very first definition and the main subject of the license (arguably the most critical part of the whole thing): 『 the Digital Content - Any digital data and its part(s) as described in the Digital Content to be licensed under the terms for particular cases. 』. This is a meaningless circular definition. This phrase appears many times throughout the document, and from it we can infer that it means the 3d model file specifically. This is very important, as the merch clause only says "Use in tangible goods", without qualifying the subject, whereas pretty much every other clause explicitly states "the Digital Content" as its subject. Hence we can reasonably infer that the merch clause also only pertains to merch crafted from direct use of the 3d model, by posing it and rendering it as a printed image, or 3d-printing it as a figurine (or possibly a physical dvd containing images or mmd videos made with the model). All the stuff relevant to filian is covered by another, 'derivative work' clause, which permits 'money-making' from 'secondary works', in this case artworks, acrylics, figurines and plushies made by other artists from scratch by using the model as artistic reference. From this interpretation of the terms, there would be no reason to contact the artist for additional permission or to negotiate revenue sharing. I was hoping Legal Mindset would do an adversarial reading of the licensing contract, to see if he also came to these conclusions. However he only did a surface-level commentary on the infographic, possibly because the situation was already de-escalating and there was no need to go deeper. I considered the hypotheticals in case the artist, once contacted, would try to extort filian with large merch fees by holding her existing investment into the model as hostage. We now know that the artist's intent was only to ensure proper attribution so that different customers are prevented from attacking each other.
@fffffplayer1
@fffffplayer1 9 күн бұрын
One thing to bear in mind is that the English version of the licence is probably a translation and from what I'm seeing here, likely not a good translation. From what I saw when I was looking into the Rindo license, it states that the original language license (I think Japanese) prevails in case of conflict between the translated versions. So, the Digital content problem may not exist in the original and thus you need to defer to the Japanese (or Korean) version to get the correct definition.
@theultramage
@theultramage 9 күн бұрын
@@fffffplayer1 I did that for a bit, just to get a feel for it. At first glance they seem to align. The jp version calls the model files 'the Data', and the derivative works clause says 'money-making from secondary works'. The circular definition is also there: 「本データ」個別条件の許諾対象データに記載されたデータおよび、そのパーツ。
@briancrosby152
@briancrosby152 9 күн бұрын
Regarding the pdf file he was kicked from the server & peaches i saw several videos on her when i searched her up & its not looking good. Filian isn't a bad person but people still wanna hate. Regarding the george Floyd thing she did apologize right after realizing what she Said.
@vergillives9890
@vergillives9890 9 күн бұрын
Envy and pettiness drive people to hate than actually do something because that requires effort
@briancrosby152
@briancrosby152 9 күн бұрын
​@@vergillives9890that & right now filian is the current drama people talk about & are milking it to make money or clout off.
@vergillives9890
@vergillives9890 9 күн бұрын
Don't forget the yt heroes program years ago channels lost communication to yt and the only way to get promoted was to mass flag channels and videos and that never changed
@KylarTyphlosion
@KylarTyphlosion 9 күн бұрын
To comment on the part with "theres no such thing as a proper vtuber" i think a proper vtuber is someone who is clearly having fun and just wants to entertain there audience
@zaxscat5357
@zaxscat5357 9 күн бұрын
2:22:23 this is just the no you cant say anything bad about the "protected class" just like mainstream media, and classic streamers who have already been beaten down into just shutting up.
@CadaverSwag
@CadaverSwag 8 күн бұрын
Every stream vod I hope that Rima unironically becomes horse girl
@saltyman5603
@saltyman5603 9 күн бұрын
The model probably was free. Vrchat let's you download other people's models via a setting that is on by default. She probably downloaded a model someone else bought.
@vergillives9890
@vergillives9890 9 күн бұрын
Maybe you need to unplug your router for a minute and turn off searching for wifi so it can find the new signal
@Recusant39
@Recusant39 9 күн бұрын
Has Filian unbanned you yet? Followed her since your video.
@selenastratsukino7695
@selenastratsukino7695 9 күн бұрын
Cops barely does anything when stuff happens online, not debunkable by saying she should have went to cops.
@vergillives9890
@vergillives9890 9 күн бұрын
Why is the person not going to the police instead of a mod
@edgarcastro9508
@edgarcastro9508 8 күн бұрын
Hey Rima 1:40:58
@antoniozavala7779
@antoniozavala7779 9 күн бұрын
Rima your model is beautiful ❤️❤️
@pippupaladin
@pippupaladin 5 күн бұрын
Everyone calling you a sub is just too weak and uncultured to appreciate the idea of a Frech-Canadian dommy horse woman wife, and I pity them. Also I got jump scared by NanobyteVT because for a second there I thought Nanobites was dropping room temp IQ takes and that would break my heart.
@kenabi
@kenabi 9 күн бұрын
i love how many commenters don't understand that when dealing with any legal entanglements, you STFU, and wait until its all settled before you talk. period. they don't owe you anything, if that thing is going to mess with the situation and make it worse.
@zaxscat5357
@zaxscat5357 9 күн бұрын
2:06:24 11 13 breaking almost every tos and shouldn't have had accounts in yhe first place. That said until it goes through the court careful calling people things
@paranoidsoldier
@paranoidsoldier 9 күн бұрын
Nothing burger
@Recusant39
@Recusant39 9 күн бұрын
Legal contracts are fun! When an artist sells to a company (like VR Chat), they give their rights away. Taylor Swift recreated her music because she didn't have rights to her original music. Riot Games sued Moonton for copying their MOBA characters for not being different enough. Rima, ANY correspondence talking about your model is officially part of your contract. When you commission artists, their artwork becomes completely yours (unless explicitly stated). I studied in trade school for contract law.
@MedusaZenovka
@MedusaZenovka 9 күн бұрын
1:12:00 Palworld didn't take and modify models of a pokemon game. And they are destinct enough to not count as copyright infringements. Otherwise Palworld would no longer exist because the pokemon company has the sword of unilateral destruction and all they need is the slightest opening of their competitors to erase them from existence. Past voids of space and gaps in peoples memories are proof that they have used that sword against copyright infringements in the past.
@mickgamehome
@mickgamehome 9 күн бұрын
uncultured but based
@SupposeKennethed
@SupposeKennethed 8 күн бұрын
Copyright is important, but literally no one aside from Mental Regards cares george flyod and AI art.
@lenewruse
@lenewruse 8 күн бұрын
I think DN knows about the copyrighted stuffs because he's a content creator based off information intakes elsewhere. newstubers and documentary vtubers tend to learn a lot more about the space on the technical side than the "I am speed" Content creators. Don't you guys have to research multiple hours for just a 20 minute video? Think about the type of content that Filian and other twitch streamers make, they're not exactly cognitively active as they are more limbic brain oriented.
@Robplayswithdragons
@Robplayswithdragons 9 күн бұрын
the odd thing i noticed, jingo, wanted credit for her work right... in the fillian update she didnt name her.. just we are working with the artist... why not say the name? so very odd. lol
@Joel-kw7jf
@Joel-kw7jf 9 күн бұрын
Filian seems to have a major underlying problem of not valuing people's labour. Imo, the backlash against her is completely justified.
@low-polyhexagonalrat
@low-polyhexagonalrat 9 күн бұрын
I like Filian, she got me not only into Vtubers but convinced me to start streaming as well. I would agree though she dropped the ball here. She had both ample time, money and resources to commission a new model
@shanathered5910
@shanathered5910 6 күн бұрын
Reckson
@theultramage
@theultramage 9 күн бұрын
The response to filian's "you're breathtaking" joke demonstrates that we live in an illiterate clown world fueled by race-related cancel culture. If you pause to analyze it, you can see that she combined Keanu Reeves' E3 2019 moment on stage with George Floyd's 2020 brutal murder by asphyxiation into a classic double entendre. The latter part required a person in a specific circumstance that the audience would recognize by name. Floyd's case fits there shockingly well, and in fact I cannot think of another good reference to use here (best I got was Saddam Hussein's hanging in 2006, but it's not as fitting). In fact, I was able to find at least 2 meme images making this exact joke in late 2020, so she wasn't even the first one to come up with this association. In summary, that aspect of the joke was about the specific way he died, and not what his skin color was (this detail was a key part of the murder, but is irrelevant to the joke itself). Hence labeling the joke as 'racist' is straight up wrong and illogical. A more accurate label would be something like 'disrespecting the dead victim of a crime', or more generally, 'disrespecting the dead', which extends to jokes about victims of 9/11, school shootings, war and ethnic conflict, and even the old ww2 stuff like nazis, death camps and nuking japan. The discourse around those is realy old and peoples' sensitivity to them comes and goes. And 'disrespecting the dead' is currently not a good buzzword for engagement baiting on today's social media. So based on the above, all those tweets about racism are outright slander and without merit. The people posting them are a mix of virtue signaling npcs parroting things they heard, and antis desperately trying to find something negative to use (and they're using it wrong). Not only that, but labeling anything and everything as racist gradually makes term meaningless in public discourse. So ironically, the people posting those tweets are collectively causing harm to those affected by actual racism.
@witoo
@witoo 9 күн бұрын
Interesting how everyone is just magically ignoring that the Filians Fansly Ai has a ability to generate images and voicelines... THAT IS THE MAIN PROBLEM WITH FILIAN AND AI. NOT THE AI TAG... But well you can't generate AI garbage with Ai garbage images so thats why she "separated" the tags, so the bot knows on what to feed itself.
@theultramage
@theultramage 9 күн бұрын
It is true that there is a filianAI account on fansly since jan 20th, where for $5.99 to $199.99 you can interact with a chatbot. It is a front for MySentient-AI, and the higher tiers are all about sexual content. This seems hyper-specifically designed for rich parasocial coomers. The company states that all content is either licensed to them or from public domain, but who knows if that's the entire truth. Presumably they hand-trained it on filian images and the AI only generates images of filian, so who knows, maybe they did build it legally.
@theultramage
@theultramage 9 күн бұрын
Since fansly was a big sponsor of her game awards from a month prior, I suspect that this chatbot is what fansly demanded as compensation for the sponsorship. Filian on stream seems highly averse to sexual topics so I highly doubt it was her idea or that she was thrilled about accepting the deal.
@theultramage
@theultramage 9 күн бұрын
Regardless, all the messages I saw on twitter were entirely about the ai tag. Nobody has any idea about the chatbot. That tells me that these were all tourist engagement farmers and cancelpigs parroting the popular hate buzzword of the week. (sorry I had to split my reply into 3, it gets instantly shadowbanned when posted together)
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