Impressed by the civility in their attitude.

Both at many times agreed with each other and this shows how beautifully they both put forward their arguments so they easily succeeded in getting another one's nod. Both also shares one thing in common they both used each other's arguments to substantiate their own argument.

A text book model of how a debate must happen. One of the most enriching conversations in the recent past.

Swapan, to my mind, summarized his point of contention with Nehru when he raised the argument of Somnath Temple - that Nehru saw it as a piece of pristine past rather than a living edifice. This actually crystallizes everything about Nehru; he saw Indian culture purely in aesthetics terms rather than a living civilization. Nehru was similar to the Europeans in the sense that Europeans borrow tremendous aesthetics from their pagan Greco-Roman legacy but they essentially don't live the Greco-Roman culture because Christianity negates the past philosophies. Hinduism on the other hand is not like Christianity because it doesn't negate the past, so there is no reason to not live our culture. Nevertheless, Tharoor is perhaps the only person in left-wing who is worth listening. He understands India very well but due to the ideological baggage of his party, he can't articulate his views freely. I'm sure that deeply, he is a cultural nationalist, not a constitutionalist. It is pretty clear from his numerous discussions and talks.

Nehru might have been a man of virtue but his insular idiosyncrasies, statist outlook and 'socialism' did 'not' bring much good to the nation! Besides these socialistic leaders as it is could not stop the elites from getting rich. The ones who would have become rich through capitalism, inevitably became so through corruption and, partiality and favouritism... Had they amassed wealth thr' capitalism at least there would have been some progress...

49:50, Swapan really stepping it up

Swapan said this is not a war. It would be cool if other BJP people said in that way

I don't have words for Dr.Tharoor's erudition.Wonderful.

This debate is so soothing

31:30 swapanda made an excellent point..

Swapan be like: Tendulkar was a great player, but he liked eating dead crocodile's meat in Kenya, not a living one.

This is called civilized debate!

Swapan Da thank you!

Mr. Romulus Whitaker was also there.

Good idea to have dams and industries as new temples but what about the. Mosques and churches

Thinkers who are also doers tend to be practical and practicality is always imperfect. The theory which works on paper needs numerous iterations before it becomes practical wisdom. Shashi Tharoor is somewhere showing Nehru's impractical ways as virtue while we know it was strategically unwise to say the least. Real world and Politics is not a popularity contest but survival of the fittest.

I don't think Nehru had the credentials to flow with discipline. Opting democracy, and giving it to his athoreterien colour was his compulsion. This is also true that India was unlucky to have Gandhi and Nehru both.

@ 58;21 Swapan Dasgupta was on fire

How nice would it be if what these two profess so vehemently at this debate is actually practiced by their respective parties. The bottom line is all discourse becomes satirical when it actually comes to practice and political parties in their insatiable gluttony for power sweep all these philosophies under the carpet and all that remains is a carnal desire to control no matter what. Eventually all that remains of these gems are mere are stains on a wall.

Shashi nailed it

58:21

Shashi ji aapne galti kar di..swapan ji ko bulaake..he is exposing Nehru's shortcomings left right and centre

The one women not leaving bhawan matters

Basically, the summary is that Nehru although he indulged in, and appreciated the superficial aspects of Hindu culture, failed to embody in himself the living traditions of the deep roots of Hindu civilization. As Swapan said, Nehru wanted the renovated Somnath temple to remain as an archeological relic, rather than being a living temple embodying living traditions, which were supported by Sardar Patel and KM Munshi.

Nehru ji with his socialists license-raj kept elites rich and most of Indians poor. We basically replaced earlier British gora-sahebs with brown-sahebs.

Mr ST please give talk on Dravidian politic.

27:06 the girl with drowsy eyes (Tharoor was speaking)

Just nothing and saw a girl sleeping at 27:06

54:52 Shashi Tharoor again shows that he completely lacks understanding of the deep foundation of Indian civilization, when he talks about the "majoritarian chauvinism" of the present government. What the fuck is he blabbing on about??? If Hindus are the majority, what is there to cry about "majoritarianism"??? Every nation and civilization is "majoritarian" because in every nation and civilization the majority decides the course of the nation. This is where Shashi Tharoor is an outsider to Indian civilization. He doesn't know or understand the age-old wise maxim of Mahabharata and Chanakya: "त्यजेदेकं कुलस्यार्थे ग्रामस्यार्थे कुलं त्यजेत् । ग्रामं जनपदस्यार्थे आत्मार्थे पृथिवीं त्यजेत् ॥ -- One must let go of an individual for the sake of an entire family, let go of a family for the sake of a village, let go of a village for the sake of the nation, and let go of the whole world for the sake of our Atman (i.e. self-realization)." What does he want? To sacrifice the lives and rights of the majority to appease the minority? What chauvinism??? He talks about pride in pluralism, pride in variety, etc as though the Modi government is doing something to jeopardize this pluralism and variety. The foundation of Hindu civilization is this acceptance and welcoming of pluralism and variety. Islamic nations do not encourage pluralism. So if India must remain this multicultural and pluralistic society, Hinduism must be strong and flourish. The day Hinduism becomes a minority, Shashi Tharoor's proud pluralistic society will vanish. This is clearly seen in cases such as Pakistan and Bangladesh.

what an erudite conversation

शास्त्रार्थ ।

Democracy my a**. Nehru ghulam of British.

Cansur socialists.

Nehru had an incredible opportunity and responsibility to shape the destiny of India as its first prime minister. He screwed it up royally. Not a surprise as he was totally unqualified for the job, which he got thanks to Mohandas Gandhi, who threw Vallabhbhai Patel under the bus and pandered to Nehru's narcissistic appeal to Gandhi to make Nehru the prime minister. Like a billion other Indians, I often wonder what India would have been under Patel.

55:52 cute nerdy girl

Nothing.

NEHRU was a Kashmiri Pandit at the end...in case of somnath...he may have seen it as "KHANDIT"( IMPURIFIED)...only A SAGE ( Like ADI SHANKARA) can reinstall it...this may be a reason... just a vague guess from my side...

He shouldn't have been bestowed the premiership... It was totally undemocratic...the consequences we bear/suffer till date..internal as well as external affairs

But BJP AND RSS WILL SAY we have HINDUTWA but now we have to covert all tp Hinduism irrespective of ifreedom and liberty

who skipped over most of tharoor's monotonous speeches?

Looting the country.

The utter discomfort of Shashi Tharoor when speaking of elements of Hindu culture and practice speaks volumes about his complete alienation from the embodiment of Hinduism. All he does is vomit slick words in a fancy artificial accent. The fact that he had to force himself to say "incantations" rather than Mantras says a lot about his total lack of understanding about the deep nature of Hinduism.

Frankly, Nehru was a criminal for the way he back-stabbed all great leaders of India. He needs to have been behind bars. Doesn't mean that he didn't do anything good. Anybody put in the position of a Prime Minister would have done some good.

To compare Nehru modi and MODI I like compare an intellectual teacher to an illiterate , indisciplined student . Never can happen

As an RSS swapan never believe anything as about NEHRRU as if RSS QUESTIONED WHOIS HIS Mother Swapan will answer the he will cer to ask his father

Swap an Das is no match in the knowledge VS Tharoor as influenced by hy his brahminical and RSS teachings which he measmerised unlogically applying his mind . More than that Swapan Das was illiterate compared in his presentation . Swaps understanding of Indian historyAND NOHRU more RSS inspired than intellectually acceptable