Thank you that. I found out via RambleTan but it's still much appreciated.

you can now use the elite controllers paddles in steam too.

why cant you guys make it for you only pay for more things to do on there and make it to were you download it you keep using it intile you want to unstall it becuase im not spending for a 7 dallor life time when i dont even want the othe thing like come on think smarter man

@@nathanielguerrero2383 If we ever decide to make a free-to-use reWASD version, we will announce this. But right now, there is no such option.

@@reWASD You guys offer per-feature pricing alongside a complete license, and at perfectly reasonable prices, there's hardly any programs with that option. @nathaniel guererro doesn't have a clue what he's talking about and really should be grateful that reWASD isn't sold as a "service" with a yearly/monthly charge. I'm very grateful for reWASD, now if only they'd fix some of the strange quirks/UI choices now that steam can do paddles and is already installed on every gamer's computer!

That's a great way to sum up Steam Input. It's so sad because it really could be something amazing with a bit of polish. As for Flick Stick, I don't use the rotational aspect of it but it's really nice to be able to bind RB to 180° turn in any game by just assigning Rstick Down to it. Otherwise I'm still rocking gyro only at the moment.

Do you feel that this comment aged well?

After buying the rear grips for the DS4 (at a ridiculous price for just 2 buttons) I'm having less difficulty with moving away from the SC. I miss the physical full pull on the triggers and my thumbs miss the feel of the pads but I'm not playing worse in games and I'm not compromising on my config rules like "always keep your thumbs on the main buttons." Without the rear grips though my experience with the DS4 was not a good one. It's crazy how two buttons can change so much about the feel and overall competency of a config.

@@criticalinput does jsm have an equivalent "gyro on" button for touching the pad? I had considered a minor mod to the ds4 by placing some conductive wire on the joystick nub over onto some spot on the touchpad, thereby allowing a steam-controller-like "lift thumb to reset gyro". I have fingers crossed the DS5 will integrate the grip buttons and give them a unique input (L4, R4), rather than reusing existing inputs.

Yes, JSM can do Always On with a Gyro Off button or Always Off with a Gryo on button. As long as you can get the conductive wire to mimic some other button on the DS4 then it should work just fine.

@@criticalinput Yeah, you can use a similar trick with cell phones- tape a thin, conductive wire from the screen to some other location, and then you touch the wire and the screen will register a touch. Same idea but tape the wire to the touchpad.

Oof, the touchpad wouldn't work yet. JSM doesn't have any touchpad support yet but the devs are very active on the Gyro Gaming Discord and do a good job of incorporating user requested features. So the idea might work in a future version.

100% agree. I'm also a Linux + OSS enthusiast, though I'm less adamant about it these days. Sometimes I just want stuff to work without jumping over hurdles. So nowadays I use OSS when I can but I don't have as much of an issue with closed source software as I did when I was younger. One of the things I love about JoyShockMapper is that it is open source and the developer has an entire wiki dedicated to sharing his findings about gyro implementation in hopes that other devs include it in programs or games better than they have in the past. He's doing so much to try to spread good info about gyro controls and make sure that people have a good example to base work off of. Unfortunately it is Windows only currently.

Agreed. The software is fantastic but it's missing support for the best controller on the market.

I'm tempted to pick up a joycon (or two if I can afford it) and see if I could create a competent FPS config using JSM's gyro support. Unfortunately JSM can only either read one gyro or combine their output so I couldn't achieve my dream of using the right joycon for aiming and the left for motion actions. At least not in the current version. Edit: JSM actually does a fantastic job of reading both gyros. I've talked to the dev and he is quite interested in adding "motion controls" to gyros as an alternative to mouse control. I might be able to make my dream config after all!

JSM only outputs Mouse and keyboard at the moment.

I've actually pointed them in the direction of both kozec and Wombat since both sc-controller and VSCView are open source programs that read the SC's raw input. I don't think adding SC support would be too difficult but it would require gyro and touchpad support to be implemented first. Gyro is coming in the next major release version of reWASD but true touchpad support doesn't seem to be a priority for them. The DS4's touchpad still only supports region based touch bindings.

A reWASD dev actually said that SC support will be in one of the next few updates. I'm a little worried about it since the gyro update was sub-par and the current touchpad support (for the DS4) is severely under featured. Two of the SC's defining hardware not having great current support isn't leaving me with a ton of confidence.

@@criticalinput Keeping my fingers crossed. Maybe they've looked at sc-controller and either are using it or at least using it as a base of how to properly implement Steam Controller support. I'm certainly eager to try it out once it's implemented though.

Just buy the full package for $15USD. Advanced mapping is required to block the controller's native inputs (important for Xbox/PS4 controllers), Slots are like Action Sets, Combos are macros. I'd say that the base program is woefully under-featured and is no match to compete against programs like DS4Windows or Steam Input.

@@criticalinput Ok ! thanks !

Without an external value to counter in-game sensitivity and SI's sens then it's practically worthless. Configs won't work between games so lots of fiddle time. It's like Mouse Joystick all over again....

As far as I know reWASD can read ViGEm based devices so this could technically work. However reWASD has confirmed that SC support is in the works. I'm expecting it to be in the big 6.0 update and will probably be released in the Summer. My main concern is that the gyro and touchpad have been poorly supported in the past but the devs are hard at work on updating the gyro function and the touchpad just got a small update -- probably due to adding support for the SC. So while your quick fix would work for now, you won't have to use that fix in the near future.

I literally do that to play Final Fantasy VII: Remake. PS4>el Gato HD60s>PC>OBS>GloSC>ReWASD changes the "Xbox Controller" to a "Dualshock 4">PS4 Remote Play. I even ended up making my own configuration that's a bit more reminiscent of the original for basic functions and utilizes the Triggers more for combat. Can use the guide button and everything. Making OBS full screen feels like I'm playing the game natively on my PC 1080p60fps.

I highly suggest buying all of the modules. Advanced mapping allows you to hide the physical control which is practically necessary if you don't want to mess with HIDGuardian. Without that you'll be sending double inputs to the game. The 4 Slots module is your Action Layers which, at least for me, is required. I can't work with just a single layer. Especially after they add gyro support because then I'll be able to replicate my Dual Gyro config where I have a high sensitivity gyro always activated but holding Left Trigger will override that with a lower sensitivity one for aiming. And the base program with those two modules is $18 so you might as well pick up the full program for just $2. I know the $20 is a bit steep (especially since Steam Input is free) but you can find it on sale for $10-15 during usual game sale times. Last week they had it down to $14 for Chinese New Year. You could also try doing the 14-day trial. I've heard from some people that there is a discount when purchasing it from the link in the program itself. As for flick, I basically hid all of the physical buttons in reWASD (so I don't get double inputs) but I leave the right joystick viewable so that JSM can access it. This might cause problems down the road but there are applications to hide a controller just from a single application so I could let JSM see the full controller if I needed to but hide the controller just from the game. This would probably be needed in games like Destiny 2 that automatically switch to gamepads when they see input from one.

Yup. I had worked a little with the team on their gyro implementation so I was aware it was coming in the 5.5 update. It's really good and if you don't need any bells and whistles then I highly recommend it over SI.

@@criticalinput Thanks for your persistence encouraging or pushing or... whatever it was! (and i've already thanked them for using it). This has been invaluable with my work, which is supporting disability gaming.

reWASD recently supported the Steam Controller. It isn't a full replacement to Steam Input but if all you play is modern AAA or indie games then it should work just fine. It's really only PC-centric titles that are cursor driven and have hundreds of hotkeys that I would suggest sticking with Steam Input.

I would love to have an open source controller remapper on the same level as Steam Input and reWASD but it simply isn't going to happen. JoyShockMapper is open source and quite versatile but doesn't have the funds nor time investment put into it like the proprietary ones have. Universal Controller Remapper has promise but is still very much in alpha. And sc-controller is doing well but is still missing features. The other alternatives are more specific remappers like DS4Windows but those only serve a single type of controllers and are typically underfeatured. Trust me, I'm a huge supporter of open source software. But there simply isn't any in this field that are anywhere near proprietary ones right now.

I mean, sure. You've obviously had a time with the devs. But I only pointed out some features that other competitor softwares have that Steam Input could benefit from. There's a lot of animosity in this comment that doesn't seem entirely on topic here.

​@@criticalinput You are correct about the animosity for sure. However, I'd like ppl to know in case they were considering buying this software over using the Steam Software. I'm sure if you had the experience I've had with reWASD you would be able to relate. As far as being on topic I am discussing both software options and giving feed back on both not to mention correcting you about the Xbox Elite controller paddle remapping. You saying that my comment isn't on topic is just a means to invalidate my experience. Are you one of the devs for the reWASD software? You sound a bit defensive.

That was reWASD then and this is now. The dev team is great, doing a fantastic job of pushing updates out in reasonable time frames and listening to their users. There is no need to bash them for creating one of the top profiling softwares available.

@@criticalinput Again with the invalidation by saying I'm bashing them which implies that I'm not being truthful. I have every email going back and forth with software improvement ideas for nearly a year which included more than just the Turbo option request. Are you saying that the previous devs/management has been replaced? Look man I have nothing against you but how the hell would you feel if a company took your money and ran because thats pretty much what they did. Never mind you are probably one of the devs. gluck with your promotion.

lol if you have looked closely you would see that rewasd has turbo for like a year now, and moreover, they add lots of features with each release. comparing a huge corporation that was on the market for quite a long time and the product that exists for barely a couple years or so?

Yup

Remember, I'm not trying to sell these products but rather pointing out some features that competitive products are sporting that Steam Input could definitely use. How does your comment add to the conversation about making Steam Input better?

@@criticalinput it was being critical of reWASD,your video (more or less) covers what reWASD can do,and what features need to be added. (not supporting SC isnt a huge issue with joyshock cause its libre,so i could add support for SC if i really wanted it,and though github isnt working for me i could only guess a terminal app works on linux) so no,not really,but "dropped" isnt really a serious comment either.

JSM now works on Linux.

Drift is a hardware issue based on the wearing down of potentiometers. Until gamepad creators opt to use the superior Hall Effect Sensors every gamepad with a joystick will experience drift. And it's actually software that can help overcome drift by altering the deadzone of a joystick. As for CPU usage, neither of these three software use up much at all. JSM is literally a command prompt and a library that reads a text file. It doesn't get less resource intensive than that 😄 And finally, you not using software doesn't make your setup better. Easier and faster, sure I'll give you those. But what happens in a game that doesn't support controllers? Or doesn't support the controller you prefer? Or doesn't allow button remapping? Or doesn't use all of the features of your controller? What about accessibility issues? I guess in your world you'd give up and obey the people who made the game in a way that didn't account for you. But profiler users are people who think outside the box and play games the way we want to play them. We don't let the slowly evolving industry standards dictate the way we enjoy our hobby. And software like these three are the tools that allow us to do that.

For sure. I wasn't saying that SI was inferior to either of the other two; simply that Steam Input was missing some neat features that were found in other software.

I've been pushing reWASD to support the SC but I honestly don't see it happening any time soon. It would require a ton of features that aren't implemented yet. Touchpads are poorly implemented (there aren't any swipe based inputs accepted yet) and gyro just got added and it's in poor shape (imagine being forced to use Roll for X-Axis and having Minimum Movement Threshold set at about 30% with no way to change it). The rest of the SC could be fine with a little bit of work, they would have to add support for the full pull trigger clicks but they've added support for unique physical buttons in the past (just recently they did the SL and SR JoyCon buttons), but the touchpads and the gyro would be so undercooked in the current version. Sadly I think sc-controller is your best non-SI option for the foreseeable future. Which is exactly why I ditched the SC recently in favor of the DS4.

​@@criticalinput They have 2019's Stadia but still don't have 2015's SC, which, in addition, is discounted now. I'd be surprised if they added support of a quite unpopular discounted device that requires a lot of work on touchpads and gyro. So yeah, there's no hope for that.

Good news! A dev recently posted in the forums that SC support will be part of one of the next few updates. Bad news -- when they finally added gyro support it wasn't great and pales in comparison to the gyro in Steam Input and JSM. Not to mention that the touchpad support on the DS4 isn't remarkable either. It's literally just 4 digital buttons -- one in each corner of the bar. Hopefully a lot of research and effort goes into the SC support because some of it's defining hardware are things that they have only halfway implemented in the past.