REPORT: NC State, Virginia Tech Contact Big 12 Fearing ACC Death in Realignment, HUGE Expansion News

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Legal battles between Florida State and the ACC are unfolding in courts, with the Florida State University Board of Trustees suing the Atlantic Coast Conference, and vice versa. This serves as a central hub for the latest developments in FSU's case, filed in Leon County, and the ACC's case, filed in Mecklenburg County, N.C., as the Seminoles explore the possibility of leaving the conference, potentially sparking further conference realignment.
As of February 16, 2024, the ACC has petitioned a Leon County judge to dismiss Florida State's lawsuit, arguing that Florida is not the appropriate jurisdiction for the dispute, favoring North Carolina, the ACC's home state.
The ACC's filing contends, "Florida State alleges no facts in support of its bare-bones venue allegation."
On February 9, 2024, the first formal court hearing was scheduled for March 22 in Mecklenburg County, North Carolina, focusing on the ACC's lawsuit. Judge Louis A. Bledsoe III ordered the hearing to address the ACC's motion to seal portions of the case concerning confidential details, such as ESPN contract information, along with FSU's motion to dismiss the case.
On February 7, 2024, Florida State filed a motion in a North Carolina court to dismiss the ACC's complaint against them. FSU argued that the ACC filed its lawsuit preemptively, before any dispute arose, and without proper support from member schools. Additionally, FSU contended that the case should be heard in Leon County, rather than Charlotte.
On January 30, 2024, FSU filed an amended complaint in Leon County, accusing the ACC of "self-dealing," particularly highlighting former ACC commissioner John Swofford's actions regarding TV deals involving Raycom Sports, where his son worked. The complaint also criticized the ACC's decision to accept SMU, Cal, and Stanford, citing lower TV viewership compared to FSU.
On January 17, 2024, the ACC filed an updated 191-page complaint against FSU, prompting further analysis of the case.
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@paulluebke8692 4 ай бұрын

The source you cited was basically wrong at every turn over the past year in regards to realignment talk. It just seemed like endless attempts to start rumors with the hope that they would magically become reality.

@carsonc29 4 ай бұрын

to be fair, there was a point in time when PAC fans said it was foolish that theyd fold and any of their schools would go to the B12..yet, here the B12 is..with 4 former PAC schools..im not saying the ACC will collapse and the B12 will get any schools..HOWEVER, with FSU seemingly wanting out and all the other info coming out, its not a bad move for other ACC schools who arent targets for the SEC and BIG to at least look at the B12 as a back up plan/exit strategy...getting out of the ACC is gonna be a lot tougher thanks to its GOR..but as ive said, its a good idea by them schools to explore options just in case crap hits the fan

@tarheel7406 4 ай бұрын

@@carsonc29 PAC Admins and some fans thought that the PAC10 was still Tier 1 or at least much more valuable than the new BIG12. By the time they realized the truth, it was too late. That's not the case for the ACC.

@EyeOfTheWatcher 4 ай бұрын

He got to clickbait for views. While technical the VA Tech\UVA and UNC\NC State are somewhat tied together at the end of the day it up to each state university system to approve any moves by the schools. Everything is negotiable when it comes to the government, so I see both state university systems let the schools split to different conference with their being some type of agreement for out of conference games between the state schools being permanent.

@scottcherubino9773 4 ай бұрын

East -Pitt, WVU, VA tech, NC State, UCF. North- Louisville, Cincinnati, Iowa state, Kansas, K-State South-Houston, TCU, Baylor, Texas tech, Oklahoma state West- Arizona, AZ state, BYU, Utah, Colorado

@TTURaider_rED 4 ай бұрын

I absolutely love this!!!

@secretagent73 4 ай бұрын

Looks good but it's missing 2 teams. Also don't know how 6 team divisions work out. All that aside, I would really like this set up

@DOGPOUNDSPORTS1 4 ай бұрын

@@secretagent73it’s 5 team bruv

@secretagent73 4 ай бұрын

@@DOGPOUNDSPORTS1 5&6

@secretagent73 4 ай бұрын

@@DOGPOUNDSPORTS1 I swear I counted like 10x and kept coming up with 6 in two of them. Ok 5 team it is and I stand corrected.

@davidbrown386 4 ай бұрын

If this is true about NC State and VT, the ACC could be heading to Lusitania/Bismarck territory: Sunk.

@EyeOfTheWatcher 4 ай бұрын

It call having a backup plan, as when NC State flip their vote in letting SMU, Cal, and Standford into the ACC that open a way for UNC to go to SEC.

@flch95 4 ай бұрын

I like your passion for your conference. Hope B12 can somehow find a way to the big table.

@kennethdodd-ll9qo 4 ай бұрын

I’m a Vols fan we play both those schools on occasion. I think they both have good football programs and fan bases. VT used to be like Clemson at being at the top of the ACC.

@505premoto 4 ай бұрын

Look at a map and do an overlay on the ACC schools and Big12 schools. Louisville- Cincinnati and West Virginia- Pitt. Tight 4 school pod. And nearby is Va Tech. Easy travel distance for Olympic sports and rivalries.

@raleighsanford5111 4 ай бұрын

I don't think geography is important anymore.

@simon2077 4 ай бұрын

Call me crazy, but I'd take Virginia Tech, NC State, Pitt and UCONN. If we were to go to 24 add Louisville, Duke, Miami & Clemson.

@kennyevans1320 4 ай бұрын

Bring in Pitt and maybe Louisville to

@dacokc 4 ай бұрын

Make UCF in South. Keep Louisville with other old Big East schools. Rivalries!

@moffprof02 4 ай бұрын

“Put the shovel down!” Lmao… greatness! 😂

@lorenzohaynes3886 4 ай бұрын

K State lost to USC to start the season. That loss is devastating now.

@brianmiller1977 4 ай бұрын

Louisville is far more profitable than Pitt. Out of all the ACC teams I would take (Most likely to get) NCState, VTech, Louisville, GTech (less likely to get but valuable) UVA, Miami, UNC, Duke, (Much less likely to get but valuable) Clemson, FSU. As a WVU fan as much as I would like for Pitt to be in the conference, they are not very profitable program. They dont have good attendance, good fan engagement, and I think ANY team we add should be strictly based on 1 single factor: DO THEY ADD VALUE TO THE CONFERENCE. Will adding X program INCREASE annual payouts. If that answer is no, than BIG12 should not add them. PITT, BC, Syracuse, Wake Forest are the teams out of the ACC that should NOT be added. If going by added value. Im sure Brett Y has updated data & formulas for calculating a programs value and future projected value after assimilated into the conference. But this shouldnt be a "Charity" league. If the BIG12 wants to remain competitive with the SEC & BIG10, we cant afford to just add teams just to be adding teams. They must increase annual payouts. Even if its just +$500k more per school, when you boil it all down.... that last figure has to be a + In the end, $$$ is what will allow the BIG12 to stay close enough to the SEC & BIG10 to not be left behind. This is why I was completely against adding OrgSt & WashSt.... Let the remainders of the ACC & PAC12 form their own conference.

@yellowmartian 4 ай бұрын

Nah, if the Big 12 had to take Utah, they have to take Pitt too.

@elCapitan007 4 ай бұрын

Nobody wants Duke, too small and basketball only, They bring nothing to the table as for Miami They don't even have a stadium, fans have to drive 45 mins on the turnpike to go to a stadium that is rarely at 25% capacity.

@brianmiller1977 4 ай бұрын

@@yellowmartian Are you comparing Utah Utes to Pitt? Im curious on what is your logic there... Secondly, BIG12 isnt a charity conference. Unless a program INCREASES annual payouts to its current members then it should not be added. That is the only metric that matters.

@MtnMan62 4 ай бұрын

REPORT: This is like reading the supermarket checkout line tabloids. 🙄

@George-Kliavkoff4Big12 4 ай бұрын

Ugh, I'll be pissed off if this is just click bait.

@patrickboren2211 4 ай бұрын

The fact that the ACC has been destabilized due to FSU and there is enough smoke on UNC being a target by both B1G/SEC conferences

@corneliusdansbyjr6165 4 ай бұрын

Exactly

@UniteAgainstEvil 4 ай бұрын

@@George-Kliavkoff4Big12Drake's middle name is actually "clickbait"

@StormyCyclone 4 ай бұрын

WOW 😲,Red Skeleton is leaving the Pac12, I kinda enjoyed the clown show. Oh you meant Kliovkof, I didn't miss by much!

@slayer7682 4 ай бұрын

how would that work, if the Moutain West Merge with the Pac 2, as far as the group of 5 teams moving up to the so-called power conferences?

@Patrick-sg7cm 4 ай бұрын

Moving from one Tier 2 conference to another wouldn't make sense for Virginia Tech and NC State.

@roris5882 4 ай бұрын

No it wouldn't, but the ACC is earning tier 2 revenue now. So if they lose any of their most valuable members then they will easily fall behind tier 2 revenue. Therefore the leftovers who can't get into the Super 2 Conferences will be incentivised to head to the Big12 to keep earning similar revenue to what they are earning now.

@tarheel7406 4 ай бұрын

@@roris5882 Not likely. The ACC's deal is heavily discounted and not at current market value. The ACC can lose from the top and the average value remain higher or at the current contract rate. The BIG12 was at market rate when TX/OK left, so the effect was different.

@Patrick-sg7cm 4 ай бұрын

@roris5882 however, it is only a short term gain. After 2031, both the ACC and the Big 12 will receive roughly the same amount of TV revenue. Also look at travel costs, teams in the Big 12 will have far greater travel costs, so the additional revenue that ACC teams might make joining the Big 12 will be eaten up in travel costs.

@tarheel7406 4 ай бұрын

@@tarheel7460 Honestly, I can't fault you being a fool. Nature makes fools. I am curious why you choose to be a fraud and a stalking troll. For what purpose? Being a fool is admittedly more of a judgment call, but making comments irrelevant to the vid and thread topics is rather strong evidence. Your obsession with my comments but your inability to understand them is also rather strong evidence. Your inability to distinguish errors/opinions from a lie is prima facia. Your trolling is undeniable. Also, you being a fraud is also undeniable with (e.g.) "my Heels" and intentionally misrepresenting yourself as me. Why have so many of your old comments been mass deleted? Why the many handle changes? Have you been reported before?

@scarcheer7211 4 ай бұрын

@@Patrick-sg7cmwith an expanded Eastern B12, the schools would be closer together than the current and future ACC when the PAC 12 schools join them. The travel costs will most likely be reduced. Miami to Boston, Syracuse is 1400-1500 miles apart. UCF to Houston and Iowa St , both Kansas schools are way less than that…

@davidframe1613 4 ай бұрын

It does make sense if Virginia and UNC are leaving the ACC they would give NC State and Virginia tech heads up so they could secure a spot in the Big 12 before someone else does. But I personally didn't have NC State even in the top six teams we would take from the Big 12 but we will wait and see.

@grobble8954 4 ай бұрын

Those schools would be trying to contact the B10 & SEC first and hope to find a way to get in. They would wait for things to shake out and see before exploring any B12 option. They all know B12 is the last safety net & B12 would be happy to get them. There is no need to do that now.

@davidframe1613 4 ай бұрын

@@grobble8954 I see your point, the SEC and Big ten are more valuable but you have to remember you don't know how many teams that the Big 12 will take. It may just be four it may be six it may be eight but everyone won't make it in. So if you're a Virginia tech and NC State and you can get a jump on others because you know you're not getting in the SEC or big ten. But the Big 12 is not taking all the leftovers from the ACC. Cal Stanford and SMU will have to join Washington State and Oregon State.

@tarheel7406 4 ай бұрын

VATECH and NCSTATE must know that any hard package isn't likely to survive pushback, so they are simply working on Plan C as a contingency.

@lastpme 4 ай бұрын

If true I think this is smart to make sure they are not left behind if the conference falls apart. I think Virgina and UNC will go BIG10 and the SEC will be forced to take Clemson and FSU. If those four schools leave the conference is dead.

@grobble8954 4 ай бұрын

Calling BS. Those schools would be trying to contact the B10 & SEC first and hope to find a way to get in. They would wait for things to shake out and see before exploring any B12 option. They all know B12 is the last safety net & B12 would happy to get them. There is no need to do that now.

@GalathNox 4 ай бұрын

@@grobble8954 True, but save to say it's already been relayed to them directly and/or indirectly that the SEC and B1G are not as interested in them.

@kennethdodd-ll9qo 4 ай бұрын

I don’t think the SEC is interested in Clemson. FSU had a chance to join the SEC before and turned it down so I’m not sure about them. I do know the SEC is interested in UNC and Virginia.. but I think if Virginia comes in I think VT would also get an invite because of the good fan base. FSU would add value but I know the Big 10 really wants into the Florida market.

@tarheel7406 4 ай бұрын

a) If FSU's assertion that ESPN has a unilateral extension option for post 2027, it only makes sense to do due diligence and work on a contingent Plan B. b) The +3 with CAL, etc. proves that the likely ACC remainders prefer a viable rebuild. c) If true, this suggests VATECH & NCSTATE are not hard packaged with UVA & UNC (respectively). UVA and UNC are not moving to the BIG12, and an ACC that retains all 4 will have a media deal in the ACC.

@patrickboren2211 4 ай бұрын

The fact that the ACC already made less than the Big XII per school in 2022 and now their adding Stanford / Cal = more mouths to feed and thus less. Then you add the loss of major brand FSU expect ESPN to require GOR renegotiations in 2025 or pull out in 2027. Fact that 4 next top brands not taken by B1G/SEC would make more in the New Big XII is quite obvious.

@timothyblack3322 4 ай бұрын

Tarheel, After learning the ACC Front Office lied to every ACC institution about the “Media Rights”. Were you aware that ESPN can pull the plug on the ACC as early 2025? Did you know the ACC media contract ends in 2027? Right now ESPN has no interest in renewing the ACC Contract. Even if they do it will come with a contract that is worse than the one you’ve got today. Either UNC or Miami will becoming with Florida State University. Yeah, Wake Forest brings viewers, the atmosphere there is so underwhelming. Good luck with that dream. UNC could simply drop football all together. I’ve known for months NC State & Virginia Tech were in contact with the Big XII,. The SEC should consider NC State & Virginia Tech. Both are football oriented schools. I firmly believe there will only be 3 Power Conferences & the ACC is not 1 of them. The +3 came via Notre Dame, the ACC knows the if it falls below 13 members, the ESPN/ACC contract becomes null & void.

@patrickboren2211 4 ай бұрын

@tarheel7460 ACC has not contract? What is that GOR the ACC has with ESPN? The same one ESPN will review in 2025 and decide whether or not to take up the extension in 2027? The point of $100 million is value for B1G/SEC in order not to be dilutive. This doesn't mean that they will hold enough value for the $50+ per school the New Big XII will be offering to teams not taken by B1G/SEC. It has been in the news that both B1G/SEC value the FSU media market and the UNC media market. Perhaps they are willing to forgo the value per media market value? ACC top brands wanting to get out does not mean the end of ACC, even if 8 top schools depart there can always be an ACC/PAC schools conference that represent the fourth P4/A4 conference.

@tarheel7406 4 ай бұрын

@@patrickboren2211 "The fact that the ACC already made less than the Big XII per school in 2022...." a) The ACC is projected to make more than the new BIG12, but not materallu more. b) The ACC has an unlimited pro rata caluse. "Fact that 4 next top brands not taken by B1G/SEC would make more in the New Big XII is quite obvious." Nope. The ACC's deal is already heavily discounted to the Tier 2 level. If the networks were willing to pay the BIG12 ~$30M per (without the 4Cs), a viably rebuilt ACC should do the same.

@tarheel7406 4 ай бұрын

@tarheel7460 Honestly, I can't fault you being a fool. Nature makes fools. I am curious why you choose to be a fraud and a stalking troll. For what purpose? Being a fool is admittedly more of a judgment call, but making comments irrelevant to the vid and thread topics is rather strong evidence. Your obsession with my comments but your inability to understand them is also rather strong evidence. Your inability to distinguish errors/opinions from a lie is prima facia. Your trolling is undeniable. Also, you being a fraud is also undeniable with (e.g.) "my Heels" and intentionally misrepresenting yourself as me. Why have so many of your old comments been mass deleted? Why the many handle changes? Have you been reported before?

@wa1w511 4 ай бұрын

It's not Big12, it's you Drake

@isaacdrost15 4 ай бұрын

Yeah UNC and UVA are wishes but more than likely BIG 10 choices. I could however see Virginia Tech and Duke, Louisville and NC state as top 4 choices for the BIG 12. Louisville has a solid basketball program and football is usually good but not great.

@yellowmartian 4 ай бұрын

What happens to ND if the ACC does implode? Theres no guarantee they will join the Big 10. I dont think it will happen, but it would be hilarious if they joined the Big 12, even on football. There's no way the Big 10/SEC could shut out the Big 12 if ND was a full member. Again, i don't think it would happen, but it would be funny.

@tarheel7406 4 ай бұрын

a) ND would have joined the ACC with a renegotiated media deal if it wanted to remain Tier 1 outside of the B1G. b) ND does not have the lift to get the BIG12 up to Tier 1 and doesn't have the academics not overall sports to attract ND. c) The eventual Tier 1 P2 won't allow ND a pocket veto over a separate Tier 1 playoff

@Knightowl1980 4 ай бұрын

Do not take swaim or mhver as a source, only use them as entertainment for discussion topics in theory

@mathewblood5113 4 ай бұрын

OK about the PAC 12. #1 it’s not dead. It’s still an entity and will be for at least the next few years. Arguing that it won’t be because there’s only two teams left is factually incorrect on its face. #2 Separating from Kliavkoff was necessary for OSU and Wazzu to move forward with a new commissioner so they can get to work on merging with the Mountain West or possibly grouping together the best of the Mountain West and American conferences. Also, Wazzu is on top of the conference in men’s basketball right now with Arizona who they play next (Wazzu beat Arizona last meeting btw) 😉 I’m excited for the future for OSU and Wazzu, and in a way this creates rivalries with so many…at least everyone that was in the former Pac 12.

@LockedOnBig12 4 ай бұрын

i love wazzu. i want them. that's all.

@jennasw523 4 ай бұрын

@@LockedOnBig12wazzu and Oregon state are a packaged deal at this moment. Oregon state women’s basketball is really good… men’s not so much.

@SvdSinner 4 ай бұрын

VT has so many non-sports ties to the land grant schools of the B12, it is a natural fit

@davidframe1613 4 ай бұрын

I don't know where Cal Stanford or SMU would go I assume nowhere they would have to probably join Oregon State and Washington State. Boston college definitely out. If the Big 12 takes two teams it would probably be pitt and Louisville, if they was going to take another two teams with those it would probably be FSU Clemson Miami Georgia tech UNC Duke Virginia or Notre Dame. But I think half those teams will go to the big 12 or SEC. I really don't see anyone wanting Syracuse or Wake Forest. Only two good football teams in the last few years is FSU and Clemson but Clemson's really not a football brand that's been around long it's really FSU and Notre Dame the big football brands but Notre Dame has died off let Marshall beat them the year before at home and I don't see anyone giving them a sweetheart deal like the ACC has and if they don't join a conference they're not getting in the playoffs.

@stevehirzel6871 4 ай бұрын

Party Animals drop 2 out of 3 without Drake. Coincidence?

@jamesbusald7097 4 ай бұрын

I have been watching head-to-head matchups between conferences- in season, in Bowls, in Playoffs for decades. The Big 12 had a rough year last year. Over the last decade the Pac-12 has sucked hard. The ACC has been trying to keep up with the Pac-12 as losers. The B1G and SEC are about .500. The Big 12 has been kicking ass. That is the on-field competition. Look it up. ACC team looking at the money disparity in the present would, of course, prefer going to the B1G or SEC. Just like the four corner schools did. The top-heavy nature of the B1G and SEC has previously and will in the future relegate most expansion teams to the dregs of those conferences. Whereas the top-to-bottom reality of parity in the Big 12 and that Big 12 is the last protector of Traditional College Football is their appeal. It might just be the last stop on the cash cow highway in the end anyway. Just like the four corner schools. The pageantry of college football is its appeal. In the past, the Pac-12 was all about pageantry. The Pac-12 forsook college pageantry in the late 80s. Since then the Pac-12 has been losing at football and viewership. The B1G has now nearly eliminated pageantry. The SEC really only has hatred and animosity amongst the schools. Name a friendly rivalry in the SEC that hasn't left death and destruction in its wake. The Big 12 is full of friendly rivalries and pageantry. The Big 12 is all about pageantry and rivalries. FSU, Notre Dame and the military academies are all about pageantry and rivalries. The Big 12 has both expanded nationally and retained their regionality remarkably and they are a power in all sports, not just Football. With this in mind here is a fantasy of the future new look Big 12. PACIFIC Utah BYU Arizona Arizona State Colorado Air Force HEARTLAND Kansas Kansas State Oklahoma State Iowa State Texas Tech TCU SOUTHERN Baylor Houston UCF Florida State Miami Georgia Tech Zane’s Trace West Virginia Cincinnati Notre Dame Army Navy Pittsburg There are lots of room for adjustments. Oregon State, Wazzou, Tulane, Louisville, Virginia, Virginia Tech, NCS, UNC. This preserves regionality while reaching a national audience. Plus it would be the best college athletic conference in nearly every sport including football. Look at all those natural rivalries and all that pageantry.

@tarheel7406 4 ай бұрын

There is no purpose for a large, wide, hodgepodge Tier 2 BIG12.

@raleighsanford5111 4 ай бұрын

I've always felt NCSU & VT would eventually join the Big 12 as the 3 "Power" conferences get to 20. We are heading toward 3 D1 conferences of 20 & everyone else, with the Big 12 a step behind the SEC & B1G. However, as "leftovers" go, NCSU & VT are nice as NC is a very friendly CFB viewing state.

@tarheel7406 4 ай бұрын

The BIG12 has no feasible path to be a peer P3. How can it close the value and power gaps?

@raleighsanford5111 4 ай бұрын

@@tarheel7406 We are already a secure a 3 main D1 conference, a step behind the B1G and SEC and we will never be equal with them, but we survived our breakup due to Fox wanting to maintain a presence in TX. That is the key right there. If the networks raid the ACC of the remaining FL & SC markets and get the NC & VA markets by moving UNC, NCSU, VT, and UVA to the B1G, SEC, or Big 12, why would they spend more on the remaining ACC than the billions they are already spending on the B1G, SEC, and Big 12? This is why the Big 12 is secure, at least until the networks go to 24 teams each in their conferences.

@tarheel7406 4 ай бұрын

@@raleighsanford5111 The BIG12 has no feasible path to be a peer P3. "Peer" is the key word. #3 won't matter.

@raleighsanford5111 4 ай бұрын

@@tarheel7406 I caught that & addressed it. The "peer" is we are still apart of the new D1, it may be lower level, but as the ACC disappears or becomes another what used to be called a G5 conference the Big 12 will still be a part of the new D1. The key is that, at least until the B1G and SEC go to 24 schools each, the Big 12 is still a part of the new D1. Being a relevant D1 being the "peer" I responded to. There is about to be a bigger gap between the Big 12 & the rest of the D1 schools as there is between the B1G, SEC & the Big 12.

@tarheel7406 4 ай бұрын

@@raleighsanford5111 And the G5 are still a part of the FBS (f I have the distinction correct). We are heading to a new structure, hence my use of the terms "Tier 1" et. seq.

@terryrich4889 Ай бұрын

5 years fs wanted out and been trying, but refuse to pay. We all know acc profits goes up each new market. Why would the remaining go to a conference making less money. Acc just need to win. Lil 12 not an option. Remember this crap is all opinion.

@Donjkoontz 4 ай бұрын

Keep in mind. They saw Co and AZ reaching out to the Big12 first and ensuring their survival…they want to make sure they aren’t left behind like the PAC2

@clownbaby9775 4 ай бұрын

This guy believes nothing of what he says.

@QuentinDude 4 ай бұрын

The-big-12-should-take-Pittsburg,Syracuse,NCSTATE,Duke...

@charlesstrums3467 3 ай бұрын

Switch UCONN for Syracuse

@nycpwcsi 4 ай бұрын

Makes no sense because if SEC and big 10 want eyeballs then VA Tech carries State of VA. Not many viewers of UVA football.

@Jbob37 4 ай бұрын

I thought the same thing until I looked at the actual revenue brought in per school in sports . UVA is 14th in the country VT was 38 in the country. Look it up...

@nycpwcsi 4 ай бұрын

Big 10 and SEC only care about football revenue. I personally think state legislation will make them stay together.

@JamesHoldaway 3 ай бұрын

@@Jbob37Huge fund raising effort to renovate facilities underway? 200% increase in contributions since 2020 and I don’t remember a championship?…ticket sales are a 1/3 less than VT and no way anyone thinks UVA is more valuable than FSU. That is a misleading chart.

@benjaminhawkes6693 4 ай бұрын

I'm sure you have a more credible source than that right?

@tarheel7406 4 ай бұрын

I wouldn't doubt that the likely ACC remainders are planning for all contingencies. What's fascinating to me is how everyone is interpreting the ACC's acknowledgement that it's possible for FSU to buy back its rights. That's not an acknowledgement of a unilateral option for FSU. Why has critical thinking declined so much in the U.S.?

@isaacdrost15 4 ай бұрын

You’re forgetting about Duke that could actually be a legitimate BIG 12 school. Basketball blue blood and football has actually been pretty good.

@dacokc 4 ай бұрын

Between NC State and Duke we probably take NC State (given the choice of only 1)..

@roris5882 4 ай бұрын

@@dacokc I could see NC State going to the SEC if UNC heads to the B1G because they are a large state school and the 2nd best option to expand their regional footprint into the state of NC. The only school in NC that the B1G would have interest in is UNC because they are a founding AAU member.

@carsonc29 4 ай бұрын

Duke would be an awesome BBALL school to add..but if FB is the biggest factor, then NC state would get the nod

@tpl3322 4 ай бұрын

Duke minus Krzyzewski equals Wake Forest

@Knightowl1980 4 ай бұрын

@@dacokcwhich is weird to me bc I see no value in nc state I don’t think they stand on their own as a brand but I know Duke does especially in basketball

@JoKeer80 4 ай бұрын

The only reason they reached out is because they are petrified of getting left out. I think B12 gets both, but will reach out to Pitt and Louisville first.

@1960DAVIDNC 4 ай бұрын

Nc state does not want big 12

@jeffwatson68 4 ай бұрын

The ACC only implodes if they loose three or more teams to the SEC/B1G. Then maybe the B12 gets four of the next best value additions that are additive additions.

@elCapitan007 4 ай бұрын

They will loose 4-6 teams to the Super 2.

@robertsanders6858 4 ай бұрын

Doubtful

@grobble8954 4 ай бұрын

Calling BS, Those schools would be trying to contact the B10 & SEC first and hope to find a way to get in. They would wait for things to shake out and see before exploring any B12 option. They all know B12 is the last safety net & B12 would happy to get them. There is no need to do that now.

@tarheel7406 4 ай бұрын

No harm in feeling out Plan C.

@7empest376 4 ай бұрын

LOL you do know Lusitania did sink right?

@wetblanket1977 4 ай бұрын

Breathe bro

@LockedOnBig12 4 ай бұрын

my bosses don't let me

@mattclark6482 4 ай бұрын

Frogs fans refer to Shollmaier arena as "The Show-ly"

@LockedOnBig12 4 ай бұрын

wait is this real

@mattclark6482 4 ай бұрын

@@LockedOnBig12You might check with Stephen Simcox to back me up, but on other Frogs websites they have been using that term for 3-4 years now.

@mattclark6482 4 ай бұрын

@@LockedOnBig12 Check with Stephen Simcox to back me up, but other Frogs Websites have been using that term for 3-4 years now

@mattclark6482 4 ай бұрын

@@LockedOnBig12 Check with Stephen Simcox, I think he uses the term, Other Frog websites have been using the term for 3-4 years now.

@mattclark6482 4 ай бұрын

@@LockedOnBig12 Check with Stephen Simcox to see if he uses the term, other Frogs websites have been using it for 3-4 years

@JohnDry 4 ай бұрын

NC St, Louisville, VT, and who else? Duke, Miami,or Pitt? Any ways it's a win win either way!!!

@robertsanders6858 4 ай бұрын

This quite possibly may just be the worst "reporting" ever. REAL reports covering state business in both Virginia and North Carolina [which can pretty easily be researched] show quite factually that both NC State and Va Tech are tied to Virginia and North Carolina by their state governments. Tech is going nowhere without UVA and NCST caan go nowhere without UNC. Really just that simple. The most likely thing is that all 4 will remain in the ACC with BC, Syracuse, Duke, Wake Forest...and so on. The only real threats to leave are Pitt, Louisville, Miami, Clemson and, of course, FSU. There are just too many other political and cultural considerations for the remaining schools to pull out of the ACC. Even if all 5 of these schools were to leave, they would easily be replaced by new members like Memphis, South Florida, UConn, Boise State and Tulane...or the armed forces academies or even Oregon State and Washington State. Whatever the case, the ACC will still be around and be a P4. No matter how you slice it, the ACC is needed by ESPN and the new CFP plan espically since the PAC 12 looks to be headed towards being a new G6 league.

@George-Kliavkoff4Big12 4 ай бұрын

YESSSS!!!🎉

@sniffycarp7206 4 ай бұрын

U think kliavkoff was bad????? Hooooo hoooooo hooooo Larry Scott was absolute 1 million times worse!!!!

@sumdude4281 4 ай бұрын

B1G wants Virginia and NC.

@rlhaff3560 4 ай бұрын

The ACC is going down. They have been sleeping at the wheel for the last few years… the Big12 is in a great position here

@tarheel7406 4 ай бұрын

The BIG12 already went down. Look at the original membership vs. today.

@scarcheer7211 4 ай бұрын

@@tarheel7406yep, but like Lazarus, we are alive again!

@tarheel7406 4 ай бұрын

@@scarcheer7211 "yep, but like Lazarus, we are alive again!" No. The BIG12 remains dead in this context. It's no longer a peer major.

@tarheel7406 4 ай бұрын

@@tarheel7460 You're just too slow. The new BIG12 is the benchmark for a fully depleted/backfilled former peer major. Absent compelling evidence otherwise, the ACC will have a similar fate. This is why there's no reason to believe that the future ACC won't get a similar media deal or that ACC remainders will leave for the already Tier 2 BIG12. You and most BG12 fans are delusional to the realities at hand, just like the PAC schools were.

@scarcheer7211 4 ай бұрын

@@tarheel7406 well, maybe not financially but we will still be relevant and play for postseason. We will still beat teams from those “Peer 2” conferences on an annual basis. We will be okay

@randycrownover5580 4 ай бұрын

lol, MHver3? Seriously? MHver3? lol. What a laugh. Material getting scarce? Still, good job, Toll. This podcast is so silly I listened to the whole thing. Yeah, the foolishness killed a few brain cells, but I survived. Here’s the B12’s possible, maybe pickings: VT, NCSU, Pitt, BC, GT, WF, UL. There’s some nice B12-level schools in there. But I’m not sure the ACC crumbles PAC-style. We’ll see. If the ACC does crumble, I doubt the B12 has a shot for Duke or U, but maybe. Definitely no shot at FSU, UNC, UVA, or CU, so just stop. It makes you feel good to bash WSU and OSU, doesn’t it? It makes me feel good telling you the B12 is the greatest feeder league in America. The evidence will begin to manifest at Spring Portal 2024. Certainly the 2024 winter portal season.

@dannyvalles6624 4 ай бұрын

Big 10 & SEC doesn’t want the Hurricanes. Big 10 wants FSU & Notre Dame

@brianmeyers9102 4 ай бұрын

it's seeming more and more inevitable that the big 10 and sec are going to break away from the ncaa, and form their own nfl style league, including their own playoffs. there will likely be a commissioner, and there will be nfl-style rules governing free agency (transfer portal) and nil. the players will be more like pro athletes with contracts, rather than student athletes. the big 12 and the rest of college football that's left behind will play under something similar to what's there now. the good news for the big 12, is you should be the best ncaa conference. the bad news is, the big money will be with the big10/sec league. the schools in those two conferences will have vastly more resources, and be able poach good players from the ncaa league. maybe there will even be something like a draft, where the power 2 league will be able to offer contracts to players from the ncaa league. i think the big 10 and sec will want to expand to probably 22-24 schools. they'll likely compete for some expansion candidates. both will want unc, uva and fsu, but this is how i think it'll finally shake out: the big 10 adding unc, uva, ga tech, fsu, notre dame, and maybe stanford, and the sec adding va tech, nc state, clemson, pitt, louisville, miami, and maybe some combination of arizona, arizona st, ok state or west virginia.

@jansonroberts2616 4 ай бұрын

LOL, I disagree but your opinion is as good as anyone else’s.

@frictionhitch 4 ай бұрын

How many teams from the ACC does Stanford and Cal take with them back to the PAC? The entire ACC won't be going to the BIG10, SEC, and BIG12.

@frictionhitch 4 ай бұрын

Stanford gets ND, Oregon State gets Oregon, Washington State gets Washington still. That's a better lineup than the bottom of the ACC will get.

@tarheel7406 4 ай бұрын

a) None of the ACC remainders are likely to go to the BIG12. b) A settlement with the ACC brands outside of FSU will likely include future scheduling commitments.

@mmmcounts 4 ай бұрын

Once a conference gets past 16 members and is Really getting to be a national conference, I do believe you have got to start being selective in order to keep up with the big guys. The big 2 conferences maybe don't need to do all that, but the Big 12 absolutely must be more selective. And by selective, I mean the Big 12 needs to take the best available football programs and only their football programs. And also add Olympic sports that are the absolute best available, and only if they really make sense. Gonzaga basketball? Add it. Absolutely. Va Tech? Football only. Forget about their Olympic sports. NC State? I don't know about that. That's highly questionable, and I don't know that any aspect of their athletics are the best available for the Big 12. Louisville is probably a good add in all sports, and Miami makes a lot of sense in all sports if they're available. You can't be adding everyone in all sports just because they want it. The Big 12 needs to choose carefully and be incredibly discriminating in these choices. There has to be a shift in how the Big 12 operates.

@terrencenewman5580 4 ай бұрын

If BIg 12 expansion has been about adding the best football teams available(which it hasn’t been) then you all would’ve added Oregon State over ASU and Arizona.

@tarheel7406 4 ай бұрын

a) The BIG12 has no feasible path to a peer P3. b) Even the ZAGS have refused "just basketball". The new BIG12 is already not a destination, so not accepting all sports is a losing strategy.

@michaelrobinson3543 4 ай бұрын

I think at this point we're going to be left with a "Power 3" set of conferences and it'll be the B1G, SEC and Big XII. Five years ago it might've been the ACC, but that conference is Dead Man Walking right now as all its marquee teams are trying to leave.

@terrencenewman5580 4 ай бұрын

It’ll never be the power 3. BIG 12 fans are delusional. When there was 5 power conferences the BIG 12 was the 5th best conference. Now that there’s 4 the BIG 12 is the 4th best conference. Nothing has changed, you’re still the worst power conference and once there’s only 3 conferences and ALL of the top teams are packed into two of them then the BIG 12 is irrelevant at that point. You will never be seen as an equal or a peer to the BIG 10 and SEC when they have all the blue bloods in the sport. Once we’re consolidated down to 3 conferences the BIG 12 is really just the American conference with a bigger paycheck at that point.

@troywest7045 4 ай бұрын

Big12 isn't going to be a power conference, best of the leftover conferences, yes. It will be a power 2 and the little kids table, congratulations on the best seat at the little kids table.

@michaelrobinson3543 4 ай бұрын

@@terrencenewman5580 It's not my conference. My team just won the B1G and the National Championship. I'm just saying that between the Big XII and the ACC the Big XII looks like it has better staying power now. It'll still be second fiddle to the Big 2, but at least they'll be at the big boy's table.

@michaelrobinson3543 4 ай бұрын

@@troywest7045 My alma mater is already at the big kid's table. They just won the National Championship. I don't have a dog in this fight. My point wasn't that the Big XII is going to be on par with the Big 2. Only that they're the most likely to still be at the same table when all the realignment chips fall.

@terrencenewman5580 4 ай бұрын

@@michaelrobinson3543 by time we get to that point then the BIG 12 is just a name that means nothing anymore. Did the conference really survive or just the name? Is it really the same BIG 12 conference when the majority of the teams come from the PAC, ACC, and group of 5. When there’s only 3 conferences left the BIG 12’s seat at the table will not be secure long term at all.